Thursday, 07 March 2013
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Hey Lady! How 'Bout You Smack Your Kid On Your Own Time?

So, I’ve just dropped my kids off at school, treated myself to a Chai Tea Latte from Coffee Bean, and sat down in the waiting room of my local Jiffy Lube for my regular oil change (by regular I mean yearly). I can’t lie, I feel a slight bit of pride as I sit there, finally taking care of something that is not only well overdue, but screams responsible adult, which shockingly, is something I still grapple with as a...uh...mature, mother of two. I mean, when will I pay my cable bill BEFORE they send me the voicemail informing me my service could experience interruption?Anyway, I knew I would have an hour to kill and I had a new book downloaded onto my phone, so I settled in to a surprisingly comfortable black chair in the Jiffy Lube waiting room. I was alone, the food network was on their television and all was quiet. For me at that moment, it was the equivalent of a beach chair over looking the water on a sweet vacay. Wow. That sounds pathetic but whatever. I gotta take these moments when I can!
So I’m sitting there, and the various characters start to trickle in. And in walks the mom with the toddler. Okay. Here’s the deal. I’m about to sound like a total asshole, but bear with me; I don’t like other people's kids. There. I said it. There are moments when I don’t even like my own kids, but that’s always fleeting (and I’m joking. Kind of). Stranger's kids, to be exact, are usually annoying and always smell a little. Now that I think about it, I’m not sure if I don’t like the kids or the parents that seem to think their kids are the cutest things on this planet. And as they interact with them, it always seems like they’re talking with their kids a little louder than necessary. Like they’re wanting the people around them to take notice and marvel at how cute she thinks they are. I think that’s what annoys me.
It reminds me of something my husband said to me back when I was pregnant with our first child. A late night panic hit me and I turned to him in bed beside me and said, “What if our baby is ugly?” And he looked at me calmly and assured me, “well, we will never know." And that statement was probably the most truthful right-on sentence he'd ever said. Then he reminded me of the pumpkin-head baby we saw once at Babies-R-Us. We were wandering through the aisles trying to find a crib, when we saw this lady bent over into her stroller, speaking to her baby is such a warm, kind, loving tone that we both stopped and watched for a minute. She was so in love with her baby in that moment and in my head that baby was clearly magical and I just HAD to take a peek. Like baby Jesus was going to be in there and I would somehow be changed forever. So, my husband and I made our way over to look, the mom looked up, beaming at us, and stepped aside. We peeked in, fully prepared to drop our best baby coo, but it wasn’t a baby in there! I mean, it had a baby body, but the head? Was a pumpkin. A pumpkin head with giant brown eyes that were not babyish at all, they were Damien from the Omen movie and it literally scared the shit out me. Like, I jumped backwards. Thankfully, my husband was able to handle it more tactfully, but me... being 8 months pregnant, I didn’t have the energy to fake it. I can’t be sure, but I THINK an “Oh good GOD, Run!” escaped my mouth. The mother didn’t seem to notice, though. So, case in point: To that mother, her weird, devil-eyed, old man with a pumpkin-head baby was beautiful. She will never know that it was truly hideous.
Anyway. So, I’m sitting there in the Jiffy Lube Day Spa and the toddler is having a moment like toddlers do. He wants to climb the chairs, pull the styrofoam coffee cups down, tear down all the magazines from the rack, and his mother is following him and saying the expected, “no." And he’s making grunting sounds while reaching for things and she’s saying, “Use your words.” But toddler baby doesn’t care what she’s saying. I’m trying not to pay that much attention, I knew if I looked over and we made any sort of eye contact, she would engage me immediately in a conversation about her child that I didn’t want to have. But I could feel her look over to me. She changes tactics and lures him over to a chair across from me and loudly offers him a snack. Loudly. “Num nums?” (Really?) “You want num nums?” This is ridiculous.
I get it. I have kids, I had them as babies, we all come up with stupid words that no one over a year old should mumble, but I’m sorry, this toddler needed the word. It’s a fucking Cheerio. Take the Cheerio little boy. But he doesn’t want to, he wants to throw them on the ground and this irritates his mother. So, she does what any good disciplinarian should do (insert sarcasm font) and hands him another, which ends up on the floor and I look up a little, more or less a subtle way to let her know that I don’t care and give a weak, non-engaging smile. Then she looks to him, says “NO!” then slaps his hand. Hard. What the fuck? I ignore it. He throws another num num. She smacks his hand again. This time it’s harder and the sound in itself ruins my day. I sort of glance up and she’s looking at me, like she’s saying, right? And I can’t hide my disapproval. And I’m like, no. Not right lady. Pick on someone your own size!Look, I don’t hide that I’m anti-spanking, but what happens in your own home is none of my business. But to haul out and smack your kid, freely, without hesitation or warning in front of strangers, to me, is a form of humiliation and bullying, and quite frankly, makes me beyond uncomfortable and mad. And her looking at me, like she could tell I was a mother and we were kindred spirits somehow and that I would be like, “Yeah fellow Matriarch, smack him! Smack the shit out of that 2 year old!” made me sick inside. And I knew if I said anything, we would find ourselves in a screaming match, white trash style and that wasn't going to help that little boy. What I wanted to do was bring out street Jessica, go Alabama back woods on her, and slap the crap out of her with my acid washed jean jog bra. But I am a lady. (I know, I know... Stop laughing.)
My name was called and my car was ready and I tried not to look at either of them on my way up to the counter, but found myself feeling sorry for the little boy. He was just doing what he’s supposed to do by doing what he’s not supposed to be doing. I’m not going to get all organic, Montessori/Waldorf school on you and be like, "Hey man, let him be." Kids need hard rules and they need to know when you’re serious. But, please, that kid will start school soon and whatever ego and confidence he has will start to be slowly stripped away by other kids in any elementary school, anywhere. So, for now? Leave him a little bit of dignity and smack him at home. On your own time. Or, I don’t know. How 'bout not smacking him at all? And using your words instead.
Ever witnessed a parent hit their child in public? Would you say something?
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I've never seen someone abusively hit a child. I have, however, seen a mother smack a hand, or give a brief swat on the behind of an older child. Neither of those are abuse or out of line, and so no, I wouldn't say anything.
I haven't seen spanking or severe punishment being done in public like in maybe the past 10 years, but when I was a kid and growing up in FL I often saw spanking and hand smacking that caused tears. I feel like the times have really changed how most people punish their kids. I know people still spank and believe in corporal punishment but I really haven't seen anything like that in a long time.
I don't think I could have said anything to that parent that was spanking their child but I'm with you all the way "use words".
My husband and I use spanking if our son is being destructive to himself or others (like ripping up library books, hitting his baby cousin, or running into the street). But for something like throwing cheerios? No, I'd just stop giving him food! Anyway, we prefer not to spank at all in public, because you are right that it is humiliating. If our kid is really out of control, we just remove him from the situation.
I'm not against disciplining your child with a smack on the hand or bum. When it causes the child to cry in obvious pain is when I have a problem.
I smack my son's hand for hitting, touching the stove, messing with the dogs or coffee pot. Pretty much anything that will hurt him or if he is out of line. I don't quite think throwing cheerios on the floor warrants it though. I mean, if he purposely chucked one at her head, then yeah but, he's a kid. Tell him NO in a firm voice, make him pick it up and throw it into the trash and don't give him anymore.
Or the poor parents are afraid to discipline their children in public for fear of judgement from sanctimonious people such as yourself. Either way, it hurts the kids and society because the children learn that they can do whatever the hell they want in public without any consequences.
A smack on the hand or a swat on the behind is NOT abuse. I'm glad that you have children who are so naturally well-behaved and on whom stern admonishments work to correct misbeavior, but the majority of us do not. Kids are stubborn. Time-outs don't work for all of them and sometimes a swat on the butt is the only thing that gets their attention.
In no way can that kind of discipline be considered bullying. Mainly because, by definition, bullying can only occur between MINORS.
To be clear, I am not advocating anyone abuse their children, just discipline them appropriately so that they grow up to be productive members of society.
Before you decide another mother is abusive because she doesn't do what YOU do, why don't you stop to think first. Maybe she's had seriously bad day? Maybe she has no help at all and is in bad need of a break? Or maybe, just maybe, that child has been acting like a demon all day and the poor mom is at the end of her tether? We're not all perfect, but judging a mother for smacking a toddler on the hand as a deterrent for behavior is wrong. Until you know the whole story, keep your sanctimonious chastisements to yourself.
It depends. Often, it's just a difference in views. If you would have said something, it may have become confrontational with that mother and who knows what would be the end result. Parents like that just need to learn. It was obvious the kid didn't want a Cheerio.
I've smacked my kids in public. But I've never had to do it twice. A parent has to explain things, even to toddlers. They're smarter than we think. Once, when I was out with my family, my daughter threw her fork on the floor of the restaurant. I smacked her hand, picked it up and told her, "if you don't want your food, don't eat it. You don't have to throw your fork on the ground. It makes a mess that someone else has to clean up." I got some nasty glares from a few people, but she didn't throw it again. It's funny, because if I did nothing and she kept throwing it, people still would give me nasty glares. And they'd probably be the same people.
My best friend does this to her twin boys.. They're 2. She will yell & smack them on the hand or butt & cause a scene wherever we go. I honestly don't think you should yell at a 2 year old. Use a calm but stern voice & tell them no & that they need to stop whatever it is that they're doing. Sadly that's usually the only interaction she has with them. I think they do things that she doesn't like intentionally, just so she'll pay attention to them for once.
I visited her for a few hours one night. While I was sitting on the couch, one of the boys, 'C' carried his juice box over & sat down on my lap. She screamed at him for it because they aren't supposed to drink their juice anywhere but the table that was literally right in front of me. She turned a movie on then screamed at them because they got up & started playing with something else. I tried telling her to not scream so much, it's not necessary & she told me that it's the only way that they'll listen. When she went to the bathroom & they started running around like monkeys, I used a calm voice & told them to sit.. What a surprise, it worked... Parents need to learn how to discipline their children better.
She doesn't have a job, which is all fine & dandy if she was actually taking care of her kids. Instead she sits on the computer all day or is playing video games while the boys play with each other, or are stuck in their cribs because mommy's too busy planting crops on Farmville while her fiance is at work making all the money since she got fired from her job because she sold alcohol to a minor.
I think parents should save the punishments for home.. and not smack their kids. I mean sure, I got spanked when I was little, but not when I was a toddler. If anything, it was probably just a light smack on my hands or butt.
Sorry for the very long comment/rant.. Kinda needed to vent because it ticked me off. Sorry.
I thought spanking and smacking of hands went out when all the literature came out to prove it didn't help the kid's brain grow at all. Does anybody read anymore? A toddler acting out is going to stop because he gets smacked? Really? Are you serious? And in front of other people, like, total humiliation, with no thought process required on his part? Remove him from the area he's acting like an animal in, hold him tight, or, put him in a short time out in wherever, a crib,a bed, a bassinet, and talk about it. My 17 month old grandson was head slamming routinely when he was frustrated, not getting his way, etc., and we all agreed on short time outs for each head butt. Know what? A week later we had maybe one head butt every two days, and we are still making headway. He hates it, knows exactly why he's going there, isn't left there more than 2 minutes due to his age, but hell, it's working. I cannot imagine hitting him after he's already hit the floor with his head. And when mine were little? Scream in the store? We'd leave and come home sans all their favorite food supplies for the rest of the week. Leave the theater. Leave the restaurant. No enjoyment, just leave and come home and go to their rooms. 30 years later of studies have proven spanking does not do the brain cells any good at ALL. Period. End of discussion.
I don't consider spanking a child's hand, or bottom, in public to be abusive.
yes on holiday quite a few times Spain, Mexico (the only problem is the language barrier) we won't say anything because things might get nasty.
I've only seen a kid smacked in public once. I'm not anti-spanking as long as its not accessive and the first thing a parent goes for. I mean, I was raised where we talked about things and if all else failed, I was spanked. It taught me to learn how to deal with the consequences if I choose to make a made decision. Also, I firmly believe spanking needs to stop once the child is a teenager, because at that point, they have enough reasoning skills to work it out without that.
I was never actually smacked in public as a kid. It would be humiliating. That was something reserved for home, or the car,... sometimes the bathroom if I was being ridiculously bad but we couldn't leave. It was never in front of people. At my old job, I saw some lady haul her child (possibly two years old), into the fitting room and hit his rear end hard. This kid screamed and you could tell it was more out of pain than just the shock of the act. The shock of it is what always taught me to avoid it, it wasn't the pain itself. It was too hard if it was actually painful. She really hit this poor kid hard, and I couldn't say anything because if she complained to my manager, I would be the one that got in trouble. It was awful.
Some parents just kind of suck like that. We had one woman that was verbally abusive to her little girl in our fitting room. This girl had some baby-fat and she was really cute. She was between the ages of maybe 5-10. She was adorable, and well behaved. Her mom was dragging her around trying to find a dance leotard for her, and every single one she had her try on, you could hear her half way across the store, calling her fat and telling her she looked gross. She was VERY loud about it and she was constantly putting her daughter down. This girls little brother was there, getting tons of praise for being a little monster as he climbed into fitting rooms, locked the doors, and left with an impish laugh, but this girl was being humiliated. Their father was there, doing most of the praising for the little boy and ignoring his wife and daughter. I was completely disgusted. I felt like tossing my cookies more than once because of how bad it was. I felt awful for this adorable little girl. Again, I couldn't say anything, it wasn't my place due to my position at work. I asked if I could get help from a manager, and my manager told me there was nothing they could do. Thankfully, some lady from a different section came up and told this terrible mother off. She was my hero that day. They got in a loud, verbal argument, but my manager let them do it because the one lady that jumped into that fight was winning.
It's pretty sick what you see and hear some parents do.
For fuck's sake, she slapped his hand. It's not like she stripped off the kid's pants and belted his bare ass in front of an entire store. Maybe get off your high horse a little and realize that not everybody parents like you.
@chronic_masticator@xanga - Thank you!! My thoughts exactly!
My brothers and I were spanked growing up. We were smacked on the hand for throwing things. My cousins on the other hand weren't. My brothers and I all have finished high school, have college degrees and have pretty good jobs. My cousins all dropped out of high school and got pregnant at 16 and their kids are just as bad as they were.
I'm living proof spanking DOES NOT destroy/harm/disrupt/whatever brain cells. Thats pretty moronic.
Unless a kid is getting seriously abused, mind your own damn business.
I have and I've said something, too..
I've seen it. No, I wouldn't say anything. Not my business, and I don't believe a smack on the hand is harmful to a disobedient child. Young children cannot understand verbal reasoning. As someone who has worked with children of different ages, I know the difference between children who are disciplined and children whose parents only use words. The only words ones are the ones who are impossible and uncontrollable and who disrupt the classes of people like me who have to teach them. Of course I don't know if this particular mother is a good mother or loving and consistent on a daily basis, but no one seeing her one time can really know that. I respect that she at the very least wants her children to behave, whether they're home or out.
I know that consistent discipline, including physical, doesn't destroy a child. I was disciplined that way, and I know many people who were. It has led me to have self-control, perseverance, respect for authority, and an orderly life, as well as confidence that I can do what I set out to do. I'm grateful.
@whiskey__lullabies@xanga - Thank you! I am the same way. I, my siblings, and our cousins, were ALL spanked as kids. My aunt and uncle have 10 kids (all biological), and they spanked every one of those 10 kids if they misbehaved. Not in public, not loudly, and not abusive, but they did spank their kids. And guess what? ALL 10 of those kids are polite, well-mannered, respectful, kind, considerate, and thoughtful. And I know it's because they were spanked.
My cousins and I are too living proof that spanking is not necessarily abusive.
There is a lot of judgment in this post, and I say this not even being a mother.
Making fun of another woman's baby? Okay, I know a lot of people have the 'ugly' baby talk. Being annoyed by baby language another mother uses? Fine (although, I would expect better from someone who is a mother and might've been able to see the bigger picture there). But all this over a mother smacking a child's hand? Seriously?
I was slapped as a child, many a times across the face in public. The lesson that I learned from it was not to fear mommy's hand, but was to understand humiliation as a consequence to my bad decisions. As I grew older, it wasn't the sting of being slapped or spanked that made me cry, it was the embarrassment or humiliation that was attached to it, and such is real life. Will I use this technique when I become a parent? Who knows--I'm not against spanking, but I won't be spanking or slapping my child on the face probably. But unless it is abuse, or something truly outrageous and immoral, I WILL NOT be passing judgment on other parents in the immature manner in which you have in this post.
Once, when I was on holiday in Austria, we were sat in a restaurant next to a German-speaking family with two boys (about 7 and 9 years old) and they were so terrified of their parents, it was horrible. Both boys had bruises on them that were clearly not due to childhood clumsiness. Dad was quite aggressive and I have a feeling he hit both his kids and his wife. Boys were very timid, looked terrified when they knocked things or when they dropped food off their forks - whole thing made me very uncomfortable.
Hearing a mother scream at her child, or hit her hard puts a knot in my stomach. I think that's what some people call an "abuse trigger".
Okay, first of all, I have a toddler, and a strong-willed one at that. You cannot "use your words" with them. You can talk until you are blue in the face, but while they might understand you, they
simply don't care.
Second, I know you are trying to be funny, but this comes across as judgmental and kind of mean. If that pumpkin headed baby was half as ugly as you say, the mom probably knew it, but she still loved her child anyhow because he couldn't help how he looked.
As for smacking your kids in public- I don't do that, partly because discipline should be a private matter- no matter how much your kids warrant a little slap on the hands, it's something that is never tasteful in public. I use corporal punishment as a last resort, but it makes me terribly uncomfortable to watch it happen in public to someone else's child. And I am never for abusing a child, at home or away.
I think that sometimes behavioral problems could be solved if the parent would take a second look at their own behavior when they are disciplining their child. For instance, I've seen parents get in their child's face and cuss at them for back talking. Umm, okay, the kid probably could have used more respect when talking to the parent, but look at what example is being given. The kid thinks it's okay to mouth off because you're screaming in his face. Or when a child gets spanked for hitting another kid. I've actually seen a mom swat her kid and say "We don't hit other people." Talk about conflicting messages.
I really really hate it when a parent tells their child that they are bad. No, the kid isn't bad, their behavior is. There's a HUGE difference in a bad kid and a bad behavior. I think that sometimes a kid grows up hearing "You're bad!" and they just decide to live up to that expectation.
@Pickwick12@xanga - I have to politely disagree on the words don't work idea. I have a four year old and a two year old. We use words instead of spanking and I can assure you that they are very well mannered children. We explain to them that their behavior was bad and why and follow up with a discipline. (like time out). Granted, my two year old DOES behave like a two year old. Sometimes he likes to run and jump off things at inappropriate times, but that behavior is appropriate for his age.
But I have to say, I think that "only words without discipline" or "only discipline without words" won't work to change a behavior. You can explain to a child that what they did was wrong but if it isn't followed by a consequence, it really isn't going to make much of an impact on their behavior. But if a child has only consequences, without explanation, they probably aren't going to understand completely why they got into trouble and are more likely to repeat the unwanted behavior. But the method of teaching good behavior has to be consistent. If a behavior is wrong one day, it has to be wrong every day. Not just when the parent feels like being concerned with it. (Can you tell I studied psychology? LOL) Anyway, I think that both consistent explanation AND discipline are necessary to teach good behavior.
Also, my own experiences with small children: children who only get attention for negative behaviors will continue to act out negatively. So if a parent only pays attention to the child when they are misbehaving, they will eventually have a unruly child, even if the child initially has good behavior.
@greene_lily@xanga - I like that you see that there needs to be calm explanation about why what they did is wrong, and how it needs to be coupled with discipline. I was spanked as a child, but I think my parents did it in a very constructive, helpful way. They always, without fail, would send us to our rooms for a couple of minutes so we *both* could cool down, then they would come in and hug us and tell us why we are being punished. They would assure us that the love us, then ask us to bend over--we'd get a few swats, and then they would immediately hug us and assure us they love us after the spanking, until we were done crying (if we cried). I always felt it was done out of love, even though I hated it. My dad would even start crying sometimes because he didn't want to do it, but he felt he had to do be a good parent.
Just like using time outs, spanking can be done in a wholesome, calm, loving way. I think most people equate it with abuse when it often is far from it--at least in my family's case.