Tuesday, 16 October 2012
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Parenting Tweens - Well Played, Karma

S is 9 now. She will be 10 in March. I am not ready for her to grow up. She has an iPod that we bought her for Christmas. I now have to take it from her at night. The other night, when she had a hard time sleeping, she decided to spend the whole time playing on her iPod. I put the kids to bed around 7:30-8:00. Before I go to bed, I check on them, fix blankets, make sure they aren't too hot or too cold, etc. At 12:30, she was using her textPlus app to text random people. This does not fly with me. Why? Because I remember IMing random people when I was 12. Though my father required me to use a fake name and fake age, I still told many of my "friends" my real name and age. I do not want my child going through this, let alone younger than I was.Not only is she chatting with random people, she's wearing makeup! However, she's being sneaky and bringing it to school with her so I don't catch her. I do not wear makeup myself, and I'm definitely not allowing my 9 year old to wear any. Today, I had to run to her school to bring her PTO candy order form in since it was due. It also just so happened to be picture day. As I was meeting her in the lobby, I noticed glitter all over. When I asked her what in God's name she was wearing, she replied, as casually as possible, "It's just makeup, Mom. It's really not a big deal."
I have a tween. A tween who just so happens to act JUST. LIKE. ME. Well played, Karma. Well played. And mom, if you're looking over us, I'm sure you're getting your laughs in. Now I know what I put you through. I'm sorry!!!!
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I'll borrow that phrase, tween. Lovely.
When I was nine, my mother forced me to wear makeup. Said that I was a girl and I had damn sure better look like one.
@chronic_masticator@xanga - I have never liked the idea of kids wearing makeup. Around the house? Sure, why not. It's all in fun. But S never wants to wear it at home. I'd like to teach her so that if she DOES sneak it again, at least she'll be halfway decent looking! Thank God we don't buy school pictures. Though I might so that we can laugh about it years later ...
@Italianmama32103@xanga - A few blackmail photos are always a good idea.
@chronic_masticator@xanga - That's what I was thinking. My mother had plenty. It's my turn now, right? Hehe
I am absolutely terrified at the idea of every having a daughter because of my behavior between the ages of 9-14. I had developed quite an attitude as an older teen, but it was nothing compared to the things I was doing that my mother had no clue about. Still, things turned out okay for me so I think everything will be fine for my children...I still do not want a daughter though!
One of my sons acts almost exactly like me though...it is a bit odd but I admit to being proud of recognizing the same look of mischief on his face that I wear on mine. :)
When I was 12 I loved to wear bright red lipstick. It did not look good. But the fun of it was the freedom I had. I was never barred from makeup. But I wasn't incredibly interested until about 11. Makeup is often a way little girls try to learn who they are. They learn their own style, even if it looks clown-like at times. Teaching her how to do makeup well will probably work better than trying to prohibit her entirely. You don't want her sneaking it behind your back.
Playing with makeup doesn't mean your child is growing up too much. I would just try to think of it as another toy or art project.
Now the technology thing is more of a thing to be wary of. You can always get the phone with the ability to only call and text those that you approve of. You can set internet passwords so that your child is limited on if they can get online, how long they can, and you can limit the sights they visit. There are all sorts of things you can do to secure the internet a bit more.
Good luck! I hope that you figure out what works best for you and your family.
Well look at who made the front page. Will I need to call for an appointment to talk with you now that you are famous? So proud of you!!
When I was 10 I really liked wearing make-up, and I wore it terribly. But my mom didn't make a big deal out of it, and by the time I was like 12 I was over it and didn't really wear it again until college. I think that's one of those things a lot of girls really want to experiment with, and it's pretty harmless (just looks tacky). I'm sure if my parents had banned it, it would have seemed waaaay cooler to me at the time.
I would certainly keep an eye on her online. Call me paranoid but the internet is dangerous for someone that young. no e-mail address unless the parents know the password, and no chatting with strangers, no facebook friends that the parents do not know and approve of. Those would be my rules. the kid can either abide by them, or have no internet access.
I don't see an issue with her wearing a bit of glitter for school picture day. I never wore make-up on a regular basis until I was about twelve or thirteen but I did wear it to school dances and such when I was younger than that. Why don't you two have a "girls day" and teach her how to do make-up and maybe buy her some age-appropriate things too?
I also remember doing the same things online too, but not age nine. That's too young imo. I remember talking to random people in chat rooms when I was twelve or so, but I never gave away my real name and my e-mail address didn't include my name or age either. I wouldn't be comfortable with a nine year old having unlimited internet access :/
My daughter is only 6, and some days, I swear she's 6 going on 16. She has a sassy attitude that could easily trump the average teenage girl's. She is very much into music, and doesn't always understand why I limit her access to Katy Perry. Um, "I Kissed A Girl" bothers me a lot, and I'm 25! The last thing I want is for my impressionable young daughter to think kissing other girls for attention is an acceptable behavior. She is also starting to get into makeup, and I'm okay with this to an extent. If I'm fixing up my face, I have no problem dabbing a bit of powder onto her face or adding a little nude eyeshadow to her lids. I let her wear chapstick and sheer lipgloss all she wants because, let's face it, having pretty lips is fun. She's a self proclaimed fashionista as well, and this is baffling for me since I'm a jeans and t-shirt gal. This is one area where I don't limit her creativity since she knows what she can and can't wear. Our religion includes modesty, and we don't allow her to wear short shorts/skirts or tank tops even though she's little because we feel if she is instilled with the value of modesty now, it won't be such a surprise or fight when she's older. Some days, I have to do a double take when I see what outfit she's thrown together because she really looks so grown up. My daughter is so much like I was as a young girl, and this not only makes me proud, it scares me lol. I had an attitude from hell when I was a tween and teen, and my daughter has one at 6! I was defiant and rebellious, and I'm trying to gear up for when my daughter lashes out. I'm hoping she doesn't, but from what I'm already seeing in her, I'm almost 100% sure the teen years are going to throw me for a loop.
As far as internet access goes, I feel it's our responsibility as parents to limit what our children can do online. I'm a firm believer in parental controls and passwords and constant monitoring. We can warn our kids of the dangers, but some will fall prey anyway. If your child is talking to random people, maybe a parental block or app removal is in order? When I was 12, I got in trouble. The internet was a new thing for us, and nobody bothered to warn me about the dangers of chat rooms. I gave out my real information all the time, and mostly just had guys asking to "cyber." I'd end those conversations quickly, but those guys weren't the ones I needed to worry about. It was the guys claiming to be teens, forming friendships with me, and getting me to trust them enough to give out more information. I actually went as far as giving one guy my home address! Yeah, I got grounded big time for that one, but it wasn't my fault. My parents never monitored my activity online, nor did they talk to me about predators and/or how to keep myself safe. I got punished for something I didn't understand. After that, though, I was more careful. I wasn't monitored, but already knew better than to ever give out my information again. A few years ago, my sister and her best friend were engaging in dangerous online activity. They were not only giving out their personal information, they were meeting up with strangers. I found out about it, acted like I was okay with their behavior so I could pump them for information and approached my parents about it. Upon further scrutiny, my parents discovered my sister had over 200 contacts in her phone and 150 of them were men. She tried to lie her way out of it, and somewhat succeeded (she had all her privilages, including unlimited and unrestricted internet access, reinstated after only 2 weeks). Her friend, on the other hand, lost her phone for a month and got it back with a new number and every contact had to be approved by her father. She was not allowed to use the internet without someone watching her, and this monitoring is still in place 3 years later. My parents never seem to know where my sister is or what she's doing because they don't care enough to bother. They'd rather assume the best so as not to have to actually deal with their teenager's wrath. Now, I'm not insinuating you are this kind of parent, so please don't take offense to my stories. I only mention them because I have witnessed first hand how dangerous the internet is, and I'm sure if you nip your daughter's behavior in the bud, you'll have more control over her actions in the future.
oh god if it's karma, my future children are going to be nightmares! :(
lol thanks for a great post!
Great post! I don't have children yet, but if my future children are going to be like me or my husband, you better believe we're going to have our hands full! I am having a hard time understanding why kids want to grow up so quickly. Once they become adults, it'll be a hard truth to wrap their head around that it is not all about being able to do what you want to. Being an adult means going school, getting a job and taking care of one's responsibilities. I would love to be able to just sit around at home, playing with my computer, or chatting with my friends rather than working and worrying if I have enough money for all my bills!
I do think 9 is a little young to be wearing makeup, but the real concern in my opinion has to do with her lying to you about wearing it and sneaking it at school. I didn't wear any makeup until I was 16, and even then it was just a little lip gloss. I didn't really get into wearing makeup until 23-24. My mom never said we couldn't wear makeup, she just said she not buy it for me or my sister. She only wore lipstick and a little blush, she wasn't big on makeup. My biggest battle was the leg shaving. Unfortunately, I had some long, very noticeable hairs on my legs and she wouldn't let me shave my legs at 11. (Easy for her to say, she was blessed with nearly smooth legs, save for like 3 hairs on each leg!) So I took matters in my own hands. I got one of my dad's disposable razors and I slathered conditioner all on my legs and shaved them anyway. She blew a gasket when she saw my shaved legs! I am sure your daughter is beautiful, without makeup--this is a great time to remind her of all the values one should possess to be a good person because beauty is a fleeting thing. Good luck!
@rachmorgan01 - Since the Internet was such a new thing at the time, we didn't really understand the real issues involved with safety. Thankfully, we didn't get into real trouble at the time--children (and even some young adults) do get preyed upon. I do agree with using parental controls and monitoring closely. The kids (such as my friends' children), they're really tech savvy nowadays. A friend's daughter, who is not even 2 yet knows how to get mom's phone and put on her favorite show! And I once got punked by a 5 year old with a game on NickJr.com.
@babybug329@xanga - Tech savvy or not, kids and teens still have that "I'm invincible" attitude. They think bad things only happen to other people, and they'll let their guard down. I'm horrible with computer and video games, I'm still somewhat computer illiterate and when it comes to smart phones, I wouldn't even know where to begin lol
@rachmorgan01 - I agree. We should always be aware of the dangers. I don't know too much about smartphones as well, I have a Blackberry and it suits all my phone needs. People who are always jumping to buy the latest and greatest in smartphones seems to be a bit out of touch in person, especially out to dinner. It's is like you're fighting for their attention. "Hello! I'm right in front of your face!! Put your phone down! (Please) Talk to me!!!"
History repeats itself, thats what they say. And yes, most of the time, children repeat what their parents did and it hard to make your children not make the mistakes you made because now a days kids just get away with anything. There are a lot of children in school who will tell your child, its not a big deal, you're mum's over reacting, being orthodox and stuff, but as parents we gotta do what we do. We should use the rights of being parents while we can still use them. After her teens she wouldn't even pay attention to what you say. Best is that you be a friend to her when you need to and be strict to her when you need to. all kids need a little discipline. Btw i was never allowed to wear makeup before university, which is when i started my professional education and to this day i thank my mom for a lot of things she did to discipline me otherwise i would have ended up in a completely opposite side of life. I have been asked to model and act multiple times but if it wasn't for my mom, i would have been somewhere embarrassing myself and my parents. Bring her up with values and dignity.. show her examples of girls who ruin their lives with wrong choices and tell her she's a princess who has to be raised up like a princess too...
I'm just going to go ahead and put this out there: you come off as too authoritative. Not exactly too strict, but you seem more concerned with enforcing your rules and controlling your daughter's behavior than actually teaching her the reasoning behind those rules (if any). Pretty much every friend or friend's sibling I know that had those kinds of parents found ways to rebel, sneak around, etc.
My parents focused on teaching me about the world, including explaining its relevant dangers. If I was old enough to be on the internet, I was old enough to know it was wrong to trust people there, because there are bad people out there that would hurt me. That I shouldn't download files (except email attachments from people I knew) because they could hurt the computer. Everything was conveyed in enough detail to scare me, without over-scaring me. It stuck. To this day, I am very cautious about my online presence.
In other matters that were not safety-related, like makeup, my parents would find ways to express disapproval without actively forbidding the activity. My sister was the only one in the family interested in makeup, got a lot of "what did you do to your face/fingernails? No, it's not pretty." especially from my dad. Not "YOU aren't pretty" but "What you DID isn't pretty." Needless to say, she did not get any makeup from my parents...but she did use birthday money to purchase it, or get it as gifts from friends (both of which my parents asserted no control over). After years of experimenting in the bathroom and sometimes looking silly, she's now much better at makeup than I am, while still younger than when I FIRST used makeup. Basically, it comes down to her doing it behind your back, with your active disapproval, or with your help and guidance to keep her skin healthy and her look age-appropriate.
Finally, my parents listened--really listened--to our wants and perceived needs. We could almost always ask and negotiate without seeming impertinent. I asked to get an allowance in middle school, or to stay home instead of going hiking with my family sometimes. I didn't always get what I wanted, but it was always actually considered. Your daughter may want a later bedtime. I don't know when they get up, but my bedtime was always 9 (and got up at 7). Around the age of 10-11, I started having trouble falling asleep, like, for hours, because I wasn't tired yet. After this went on for a year or so, I negotiated a later bedtime, so I could at least read in that time, or something, instead of going crazy in bed (I shared a room with younger sisters, so I couldn't have the light on).
I don't know that I read you correctly; I only had two paragraphs to go off of. But my observation has shown that parents who try to control their children and impose arbitrary values on them tend to breed resentment and later rebellion, which ruins the relationship as the child grows into a teen and adult. Whereas parents who use more guidance and explanation engender mutual respect and can have adult conversations with their teenagers, who keep coming to them for advice and help even as independent adults.
All this is just a thought to put out there, with the disclaimer that no family, person, or child is actually perfect; mine neither was nor will be.
@galliver@xanga - I loved what you are saying here. I like to think that I am good at guiding my kids without demanding they act a certain way, but you gave some good tips and suggestions that I plan on implementing into my daily parenting life. Thank you :)
@mynewlife1126@xanga - Thanks for letting me know :) I'm often self-conscious about posting on momaroo as a non-parent, even though as the oldest of 3 girls and someone who's worked with kids on several occasions I don't find my views unfounded...though possibly untested.
@galliver@xanga - I don't try to control her behavior. My parenting style is more relaxed. I'm far too lenient with my kids for the most part, but there are a few things that I refuse to negotiate on. I don't hover over her shoulder when she's on her iPod, nor when she's on the computer. I don't place blocks on websites or on the televisions. But, again, there are things I do not bend on. I always tell her the reasons for my rules and limits. I explained to her about how I was with the internet as a child. I told her about how I had someone who would call me all the time and send letters to me because I was stupid enough to give my address. I told her how one of the guys tried to come to my house and scared the crap out of me. I do not want that happening to her. I went through it, and it wasn't as fun as I thought it would be.
As far as the makeup goes, I keep telling her "I want people to like you for you. Not for what they think you are." She is a smart girl, and counters me with "I thought you said life wasn't about looks?" which is true. It isn't. Which is why I have to remind her that by putting on makeup, she's presenting a false front and trying to enhance her looks. She's pretending to be someone she isn't. She knows it's okay to put it on at home WITH MY PERMISSION. If she asks, and we aren't going any where, sure. I'll apply blush and eye shadow on her, she'll paint her nails and mine. We do each others hair. But it's all in fun. If we're going out somewhere, she knows I'm going to say no, and she's okay with that.
We have a great relationship, don't get me wrong. I listen to her, and we compromise on a lot of things. The kids don't have a set bed time. I go by their cues. If I see their eyes getting heavy, and see them yawning often, I mention that I think it's time for bed. Sometimes that's at 7, sometimes it's 9. If they're truly tired, they'll go without complaining. If they aren't we work on a compromise that all of us are happy with. For S, that means laying in bed with a book. I check on her every so often, and after an hour, she's usually asleep on her own.