Tuesday, 16 October 2012
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Offensive Baby Talk

I really need some advice. In my household, we've never spoken "baby talk" to our children. Each word spoken is pronounced correctly, none of that "Is ooo hungwy?" kind of nonsense. I had a lot of trouble when my children were babies because it seems that everyone talks to small babies that way. I ignored it and I wish I hadn't. Now I'm having trouble because it seems that most people talk down to my children just because they are young. It's really not just MY children, but any child under three feet tall. It's like they associate height with intelligence or something. Now, I'm not saying this to brag, but my kids are pretty darn smart. My daughter is 4 1/2 and can carry on a conversation as if she's ten. My son is 2 1/2 and can carry on a conversation as if he's five or six. And they notice when people talk down to them. We recently went to a school function and were introduced to several of the high school students. They wouldn't talk to my son at all except to ask him what his name was and how old he was. They took turns introducing themselves to my daughter and insisted that she repeat each of their names. The look she gave them was priceless but unnoticed by them. "Can you say 'T.J.'?" Um....yeah she can. And it's not just the school kids who do it either, it's nearly everyone we've met in our new town.I probably would be tempted to ignore it for the sake of politeness, except that my daughter has noticed how people talk to her. She told me after the school function that her feelings were really hurt because they were talking to her like she is a baby. I really wasn't sure what to tell her right then, except to reassure her that they weren't being mean or trying to hurt her feelings. I'm thinking about having a talk with her about it. I feel that she should be able to say to them "Please don't talk to me like I'm a baby. I'm a very smart person." It would reassure her self-esteem, prove that she's not unintelligent, and may give them pause for thought about how they talk to small children. I am concerned about offending someone though. I'm afraid if I say something about it to them, they will consider it rude. My husband just recently became a teacher at this school and I really don't want to cause any strife for him later. But I don't think it's fair for my daughter to have to put up with them talking down to her.
What do you think? Should I just keep reassuring her that they aren't trying to be mean and ignore it? Or empower her to speak up for herself? What would you do in this situation?
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I think that the first time I talked to a three-year-old, like really had a conversation, I was shocked. I just couldn't comprehend someone so small & young talking to me like she was years older, instead of the incoherent babbling I was used to. It's just that if you don't have kids, you don't always know how to act.
Now, I don't know about advice because if I had been talking to this three-year-old & the mother suddenly said, "You don't have to talk to her like she's a baby. You can have a real conversation with her." I probably would have known how to react. Instead, I listened to how she talked to me & gradually I began to talk to her on the same level as my uncertainty leveled out. So I think the advice should go to your kids, maybe teach them how to shock the hell out of people.. So if someone asks your daughter if she can pronounce whatever word, tell her to say something like, "Yes, and I can pronounce onomatopoeia, too." Teach your kids to kick ass so that no one's feelings get hurt, your kids feel good about themselves & the people who are talking to them this way realize they don't have to.
Also, remember not to take it personally. It's not that they think your children in particular are stupid, & they don't mean to sound so condescending. If it's the same people doing it again & again, I think you should just approach it in the most light way possible; "Oh, hey, it's not a big deal but I just wanted to mention something.." & then say that most people talk that way to them & it's no big deal, you just have higher standards for them & want them to be talked to in a more mature manner for their own personal growth.
I'm the same way about baby talk. I don't mind it so much if it's to a pet but its always kind of pissed me off when it was to a fellow human. As a teenager working as a rehab assistent in a nursing home, I remember cringing at the way some of the nurses' aids - MOST of them - would baby talk our elderly patients. They got OLD; not stupid for heaven's sake! They deserve respect! When I was raising my children and heard baby talk addressed at them, that bugged me too. I don't believe babies are stupid. I believe they have the souls of people that have been here before, full intelligence with only the memory fogged of who they were before. Talking baby talk to them would, in any case, dampen their language relearning skills and cost them a certain amount of personal confidence. So I always ever had one of two reactions to people baby talking my kids: Saying to them, "It's okay. They're pretty smart. You don't need to talk down to them." Or, if I were really irritated, I'd address my child in a normal conversational tone, asking them something or sending them away, and then address the baby talker in baby talk, making my point that way. One thing I never did was put up with the baby talk.
I was the same way at a young age. My mom said I was able to coherently have conversations around 18 months of age.
I remember being in preschool and feeling like they thought i was stupid. i don't have advice, but i can relate.
This is my opinion...I wouldn't say anything to them.. Talk to your daughter privately and explain why ppl do this. It's not worth embarrassing yourself by correcting well-meaning friends..
I don't talk baby-talk to my children, either. but, I would never correct others who do.. IT will not make one iota of difference.. talk to your daughter when you get home.
If your daughter is aware of it, I think you handled it perfectly. Put the power in her hands to say "I am not a baby, please don't speak to me as though I am." I think it's hard for people who don't have children to understand that it's not just your children you are embarrassing, but yourself when you talk to children like they're stupid. If you correct them it may step on toes, but if your child does it, then I think they'd hopefully respect her for it.
I don't have kids, but after a few years working at a camp for children with special needs and receiving my Nurse Aide Certification (and thus working with the elderly), I've learned to never speak down to ANYONE. Just because a child or an elderly person may not be able to answer you in a complete sentence or even pronounce a word -which your children seem to have no issue with - doesn't mean that they cannot understand you. And if they can understand you and you treat them like they can't, you're going to have someone on your hands who resents you.
@Awake_My_Soul420@xanga - well said.
I hate it when people do that. My grandma always says "pweeze" to my cousin instead of "please"because that's how she says it. Well she will never say it correctly now! I would just ignore everyone who talks like that. Obviously your daughter realizes it, so it's not going to hinder her language development. These are people you may never see again so just let it go.
Why not do both? Tell her that people aren't intentionally hurting her feelings, and that it's perfectly fine for her to say "I know I'm small, but please don't talk to me like I'm a baby." It might just shock them into speaking to her appropriately.
I highly doubt anyone is purposely belittling your children. Many people will adjust the way they talk based on the skills shown by the child since not all kids are on the same level conversationally. I worked in a daycare for 2 years, and we had 3 year olds who could carry on a conversation and 6 year olds who were still struggling. Every child is different, and to talk to them all the exact same way doesn't always work. That being said, I feel it's your job as the parent to politely let others know your children don't need the baby talk. If your daughter is coming to you with her concerns and not addressing the offender directly, maybe she's not ready to handle that responsibility on her own yet? Ask your daughter if she'd be comfortable speaking up for herself, and if she is, great! If not, do it for her until she can do it on her own. Unfortunately, people are not necessarily going to change the way they talk to all children, they'll just use more adult vocabulary when addressing your's.
My husband and I don't use baby talk because we feel it's important for our children to learn the correct way to pronounce words. I actually cringe when I hear people using baby talk, especially when a child who is old enough to say words right doesn't because Mom continues to say them wrong. Despite all efforts though, some kids will not be advanced verbally or conversationally. My oldest, who is 6, didn't really start talking until she was 3. Our 3 year old is very smart and can carry on a conversation. Our 2 year old is not too far behind the other two, but he was a late bloomer like the oldest.
Hm. I guess for me I would evaluate how important these high school students are going to be in your daughter's personal social life. It's one thing if her own teachers or friends are insulting her intelligence or talking down to her. It's something else entirely (in my opinion) if random young adults and teenagers whom she will rarely see is addressing her in a way that doesn't fit her intelligence and personality. An example from my own experience: occasionally someone's annoying husband has said something about housewives or women's work or womenfolk to me. As a practicing attorney I don't like to be referred to according to my gender or traditional patriarchal roles. But if it's just an acquaintance whom I'll rarely see I don't bother making an issue out of it. You can't correct all the well-meaning ignorance in the world. Or even the mean-spirited ignorance. That's kind of a lesson for your daughter all by itself, in my opinion. :D
I wouldn't be offended at all if a little kid asked me to quit speaking to them like they were a baby, if they asked in the way that you suggested. I'd be pleasantly surprised that one so young could make her feelings known in such a polite and articulate way.
And I think people should learn from a young age how to stand up for themselves appropriately. That in itself would eliminate quite a few problems.
My sister and I could both carry on normal conversations at your kids' ages. We were also taught that not everyone does things the same way.
This is a great opportunity for you to teach your daughter about differences between people. Throughout her life, the rest of the world is not going to accommodate itself to her. I don't mean that meanly--she's four, and I can see why this is hard, but it's just one of many times when people outside the house may not treat her just like people at home do. She sounds like she's mature for her age; this is a time to help her get even more mature by explaining that she can still respect adults even if they don't treat her the way she used to and that it's not something wrong with her, it's just the way they are.
I really would strongly recommend not giving your daughter permission to tell people how to speak to her. I don't believe most adults would handle that very well (and to be honest, I would think it was disrespectful if I heard a child doing it), and it has the potential to end up making her seem like a problem child rather than one who is advanced for her age. This too shall pass. She won't be little for long, and this is something that naturally goes away with time. If you affirm her at home, there's no reason this has to be a huge hairy issue outside the home.
Thanks for sharing your story and putting up with my two cents :)
This is true for a variety of things, but when you meet new people, you have a baseline assumption about many different things about them, and react accordingly (whether you even realize it or not). As you talk with and get to know them, you adjust to the new information about them. So... when I assume a person is a thieving, bumbling idiot upon first meeting them, it's nothing personal. It's just my experience with the average human being. I'm in a mood today. Anyway.
While I wouldn't tell her, 'say this', I wouldn't really tell her she couldn't, either. Unless it's "piss the fuck off". lol If she gives you a "Mom, a little help here" type look, jump in.
I never liked the idea of baby talk in the first place. I thought that it can hinder proper language development. Even when I talk to babies, I use real words. I may talk softer to a little one than an older child. But I will use whole real words.
I am not entirely sure how I would handle the situation, as it hasn't come up for me yet. I may tell the people that she has pretty well developed language skills for her age. Granted, I think more children would talk better if real words were used around them.
But sometimes people like little children to repeat their names, simply because the little voices sound cute.
First, take the anger out and give the teacher a call. You don't want trouble for your husband, so this could be a good opportunity for your child to listen to you speaking very politely and pleasantly to another adult in problem solving. Such as " My child (name) really likes to talk like adults do, as does her brother. I have a few things here to tell you that the kids can do, so they will be able to shine and maybe not be embarrassed. Then I'd find something really positive to say about the teacher, even if you are so pissed you can't stand it. It will be a good way to start things off in a wonderful light, and your children could benefit. Also, thirty six years ago when I was giving birth, I had your exact same feelings, and was offended by people talking down to them. It did them no harm, and they weren't bothered by it because I hadn't talked about it to them, rather, just allowed them to intellectually grow and function at their own pace. Now I find myself a grandmother of a 13 month old who can say around 15 words, and darn it all to pieces, I've caught myself saying stupid things like "Gwamma loves you." You get the drift. And regardless of what other family members are saying in baby talk, we still read to him, and he's still picking up words like his father, my sonm did. So I think if you tone it down a little, because your kids are going to be super smart, they need not know of your anger with this. Just give the teacher an extra friendly call, and I think you'll be surprised. And let your kids know that this is how we handle stress.
I think everyone above had really good responses.
And I just want to say- these are high school students, right? Most high school students do NOT know anything about small children. They are trying to be nice. That's important to keep in mind. When you're 15-17, you really don't know how to talk to kids... age and name are about all you can think of. Just thought I'd share that... most people commenting are moms, so they maybe don't remember what it was like, feeling awkward around children. I do think that if you step in and reprove them with, "Talk to her like a normal person!", that person will more than likely feel embarrassed and awkward, and even MORE blank about a subject to talk with them about. That won't help your kids' social life any. If the goal is to have people carry on conversations with them, I'd say the best case is to teach them something to say- like, "Why are you talking like that?", etc.I don't have kids and am rarely around them, so when I talk to children, it's usually the opposite. I talk to them like they are adults, and expect them to act a lot older than they are.
The problem is that it's NOT just the high school students, it's everyone we've met in this town. I'm reluctant to say anything to them because we live in a very small town, about 600 people, and I am going to keep running into the same people over and over again. Which also means that my daughter is going to have to keep talking to the same people over and over again. Eventually they will realize that the baby talk isn't necessary, but in the mean time she's going to keep getting her feelings hurt when they speak to her and I don't want that to happen.
I decided to go ahead and have a talk with her. I explained to her that they aren't trying to hurt her feelings but it was okay for her to tell them how she felt. I decided that her self-esteem and her feelings were more important than them being offended (or their feelings being hurt) by her saying something about it. BUT I also told her that she had to be polite about it, using please and thank you, and asking nicely. She was not allowed to be rude about it.
So thanks everyone for your advice and I'll try to get back on here and let you know how things went or you can visit my blog for future updates.
As your daughter speaks with these people they will soon adjust their manner of speaking to her. She simply needs to be encouraged to speak correctly and use her vocabulary properly and they will get the message. Teenagers... no probably not, but adults will figure it out when she answers in a long well thought out reply instead of two words. Not sure correcting them will do much more than make her appear to be a pretentious obnoxious child which nobody wants to be around. She's much better off learning that she can't control how others behave, only herself.
Her self-esteem should never be based upon what other people think of her and how they treat her. Encourage her to find her value in other things (in my book it's God-esteem, not self-esteem... how does God see her?).
If anyone is interested in knowing, I decided that *I* needed to be the one to speak up for her BUT I did have that talk with her so that if I'm not around, she'll know what to say for herself. She actually turned it back on me the other day. I was teasing her for being silly and she told me "Mom, don't call me that. It hurts my feelings. I'm a very smart girl, you know." So I'm glad that she's okay taking a stance for herself. LOL
@greene_lily@xanga - I was interested how this was going for you, I related to your story. I'm glad she is taking a stand for herself and that she has self-confidence. I also think little ones need their parents to visibly protect them sometimes, so FWIW, I applaud you for how you've handled this.
Tell the truth though, did it for a moment catch you off guard when your daughter chided you for teasing her?
@sarahsmurfette@xanga - Yeah, it totally did. But I had to smile about it. I apologized for hurting her feelings but told her that being silly didn't mean she wasn't smart. I pointed out that her dad is a very smart person, but he sometimes acts very silly. She agreed to that but still insisted that SHE wasn't a silly. Although, later in the day she did tell me it was okay to call her that (for right then only) because she was being silly by wearing an ice cream bucket on her head and using it as a drum. LOL