Tuesday, 19 June 2012

  • Everybody's Having Kids!


    Both of my good friends have had kids or are having them very soon. S has twins and now lives an hour away with her fiance, and B is pregnant, due in September and lives with her jerk of a fiance. I don't get to see either of them anymore since B discovered she's expecting. When we do all hang out together, all I hear about is babies and what she needs to get and what she should expect. Yesterday I went to S's parents' to hang out with her and B, and all I did was eat & play with S's kids. Everything I said to anyone was ignored, it was like I wasn't even there.



    I wouldn't mind this so much if I was at least somewhat at this point in my life, but I'm nowhere near it. One-I can't find a decent guy and two-I can't have kids. It's a constant reminder that I'm never going to experience this. The guy I'm semi dating now already has a kid and doesn't want anymore and he doesn't want anything 'serious' with me, which is obvious because I only see him once a week, if that..

    Now of course I'm expected to go to B's baby shower, where there will be, of course, more talk of babies. I HATE baby showers, they're always extremely awkward for me, but I have to go because she's one of my best friends and it's expected of me.

    Anybody have any suggestions on how I can deal with this?

    It sucks not having anyone to talk to now that they're both parents.

Comments (24)

  • LadyGwenivere@xanga

    here is a thought.. Talk to her about it.As someone who has been HTC for 8 years, and has been to and planned countless showers, i can tell you is doesn't get any easier.
    But you have 3 choices. You can put on a happy face even though its killing you inside,.. and be the supportive friend..
    Or you can walk away from it. You can tell her its just too painful and you can't do it.
    Or 3.. You can be honest with her, and yourself.. still put on a brave face and attend the party but at the same time know that you are not alone because she knows how you feel.
    Best friends are supposed to support eachother in everything... but they cannot support you if you are not honest with them.

  • grizzlybearr@xanga

    weird, i feel this way but it's opposite. all my non parent friends have, for the most part, ditched me. they come over and just sit there bored and i feel like saying "hey i'm sorry me and the kids are boring you but this is my life now get over it or get out." ...but i'm not the type to say anything.


    i wouldn't say you'll never get to experience kids. you can always adopt, i know it's not fully the same but it is an option. talk to your friend, let her know how you feel. and idk what things you're trying to say but bear in mind that moms don't really care to hear about all the fun drunk times non moms are having :) (i'm not saying you're like this...but some of my non parent friends are). 
  • Saridactyl@xanga

    I don't really care to be around kids. I just don't. I'm young. I like to drink and smoke and I don't really feel comfortable doing that around children, even if their parents don't mind. I also can't stand it when people who have kids expect ME to change because they had kids. I don't have children I'm still the SAME person I was and always will be.  A friend of mine claimed that I ditched her because she has a child, when really, she doesn't like to do the same things anymore, which is okay, I get it, She just doesn't understand that her child saying cookie 6 times is only cute to her and basically no one else..

  • rachmorgan01

    My best advice would be to talk to your friends about how you feel. Chances are, they don't realize they're alienating you and making you feel bad. Their focus has changed, and for them, children are what they feel like talking about. I would bet that if they know how you're feeling, they'll try to be more sensitive. At the same time, though, it's important for you to be supportive, and that means attending the shower. I know it's tough, but you can feel better knowing you were there for your pal, and I know she'll be pleased as punch to see you at her party.There must still be things you all have in common, so why not strike up a convo about those things? Have you seen any good movies lately? Read a good book? Heard something crazy on the news? There is always some topic to talk about that doesn't involve babies and children. I'm sure your friends still love you and want you around, but they may need to be reminded from time to time that you are not in the same situation as them, and you don't want to feel so left out. Remember, friendship is a two way street. You're going to have to at least pretend to be interested in what's going on in your friends' lives if you want them to be interested in your's.

    I'm in the opposite position. I'm nearly 25, and I have 3 small children. Most of my friends ditched out on me when I got pregnant at 18 because I could no longer do what I wanted when I wanted. The friends who did stick around have tapered off as well, including my best friend of 18 years. Now that I can no longer drop everything and go, stay out late, or party, they feel I'm not worth being around. They want me to conform and compromise to fit their lifestyles, and I just can't because my children are my number one priority. Nobody is ever willing to meet me halfway (ie: going to the 7pm movie instead of the 10:30 or planning ahead so I can get a sitter).This really hurts because my best friend, the woman who knows so many intimate things about me, no longer sees the fun loving girl I was because in her mind, I've been replaced by a zombie content with the mundane. People don't realize this kind of problem can go both ways. While the single, childless friend feels left out because she isn't a part of the baby world, the friend turned mother feels like an outsider because she can no longer be a part of her old world.

  • babybug329@xanga

    Well, not everyone is having kids, but I can understand how you feel.  I feel that with good friends, you should be able to have a sit down and talk to her.  Tell her how you feel--that you want to continue the friendship.  Obviously, you and her will not be able to resume the relationship you two had before the children, but find a comfortable middle ground you both can deal with.  Life doesn't not end nor begin with the addition of children.  Your friend's kids will definitely come first in terms of priorities.  If she values your friendship, she will find a way to carve out time to spend with you, doing child-less things, even if it means having a cup of coffee and catching up for an hour or 2.


    As for the baby shower--I hate them too.  I am going to one on Sunday.  But the mom-to-be is a good friend I want to show my support (for her baby, not these games/festivities).  The only thing I can suggest to make survive it is to volunteer to help set out the food, pass out things for the games so you wouldn't have to participate (as much).  Staying busy will usually help reduce the amount of time for small talk with other expectant mothers and other general "happy-to-be-at-a-baby shower" guests.
  • noPrinceCharming@datingish

    @LadyGwenivere@xanga  -- I have been honest, and all she does is tell me that I'm being selfish. She basically just gives me the 'who the heck cares' look and goes on. She complains about them constantly.. All I do when we hang out is take care of her kids for her, than she says that I wouldn't know what to do if I had one. Neither of them care how I feel about the subject, but only complain when I tell them I'd rather not hang out with either of them if it's all they're going to discuss.. I understand that B's excited about it, but it still hurts.

    @grizzlybearr@xanga-I hang out with S and her kids. Heck, I'll push the stroller or carry them. They're adorable. But when she gets mad that I have to work when she wants to hang out and I tell her that she doesnt have a job, she doesn't get that I can't just call off.. I don't say this to be mean, but she takes it that way & comes back with 'Sorry I have kids, not that you'll ever understand'.  I try not to ditch her unless it comes to work or I feel absolutely horrible. .

    @rachmorgan01- She still hangs out with her 'old friends' because all of them now have kids. I really am the only friend she has that hasn't had any mini me's. Don't get me wrong, I love her twin boys, but sometimes I just don't want to hear about every little thing they do, especially when I'm thinking about how I'll never get that.. I don't want to adopt, I want a child that looks like me. That might be selfish, but it's what I want.

    I apologize if half of what I said didn't make sense to anyone, it's 4.30 in the am and I'm tired..and my brain's half melted from the heat.

  • notinwonderlandanymore@xanga

    @noPrinceCharming@datingish - it sounds like she needs to grow up. She might have kids, but she sure doesn't have much understanding when it comes to other people. If you don't want to go, don't go. It sounds like she's using you for childcare, but when you can't come hang out on HER terms, you're suddenly a bad friends because you have other priorities. Hopefully she realises that not everyone wants to talk about her children 24/7 before she loses a good friend.

  • grizzlybearr@xanga

    well of course she gets mad! lol. stay at home moms do have a job. it's our job to stay home. has she never had a job outside of that though? like pre-kids? it's crazy because, again, my problem is completely opposite. my kidless friends get mad when they're in town or something and they invite me out last minute. then when i say no i'm told i'm making up excuses lol. it's not easy for me to just get up and go. 

     yall are just in 2 completely different places right now. BUT a good friend would hear you out, talk about it, and work things out. my best friend (she has kids though) has said some pretty intense/eye opening things to me before. sure i was upset, but i didn't push her away...i listened. it could be her pride. or she could just be lonely? loneliness is a hard feeling to deal with. i know some stay at home moms feel pretty isolated a lot of the time, i think it'd be enough to cause depression. even having mom friends this can happen. so if she talks be sure to listen to her too. make a date to go talk to her. let her know calmly that there are things yall both need to talk about. don't try and talk about it after you tell her you have to work and she gets upset...feelings are already hurt by then and she'll be less likely to listen. make it a point to go to her to just to talk. :) 
  • LadyGwenivere@xanga

    @noPrinceCharming@datingish - she sounds pretty selfish... i am sorry that they are not more empathetic....  Sadly Ive had a couple so-called-friends like this and eventually i just had to walk away.. i really hope things get better for you though..
    about adopting .. my husband and I adopted our son and he looks a lot like my husband.. most people would never guess that he is adopted...

  • Pollypinks@xanga

    It's totally selfish and unfeeling on her part.  Picture a woman who cannot bear children, who either never has them, or, waits on an adoption list for a very long time.  Maybe there's somebody at work with a little more empathy here?  Would like to spend time without talking non-stop about children?

  • WaitingToShrug@xanga

    Well, like you said, they are her life and her job now, so I don't think it's weird for her to be consumed by them. That said, if she's rubbing your infertility in your face, that's really mean and perhaps not a "friend" move. 

    Also, don't go to a shower if you don't want to. I don't want to hear any "buts" on this one... if you don't want to go, don't go. Make other plans for something you do want to do. 
  • DarkMeru@xanga

    Find new friends... take a break from them.....   If they piss you off and you piss them off then stop going around them for a while.  When one becomes a mom the kids do become your world so that has to be the main focus.  They are not being selfish in taking care of their babies.  As far as talking about them the most interesting part of their day is probably finding out baby cut a tooth or slept all night, its not to piss you off its because thats all they focus on.   When i became a mommy it turned into diapers dishes feedings and, laundy.  My entire day revolves around my baby and i have to work everything around her firends, family, and the husband included, so what else am i really going to talk about?  Sorry you cant have kids but thats probably not something they think about 24/7 especially when they are constantly busy.  And not adopting because they dont look like you is kind of a silly reason, sometimes people have kids that look nothing like them.  Either get over it, or find new friends, all relationships are about give and take.  You are your own person and can make decisions sometimes you have to throw feelings out the window and do what you want not what you should.   

  • Megabyyte@xanga

    Interesting.

    When I'm with friends, I don't spend the entire time talking about my child or about child related things.

    Parenting, however, is a change of priorities, so this can be hard to navigate for you both and I can't completely understand how you feel, but I'm sure it would be hard to go to friends baby showers, when you know you're not able to have any yourself.

    You and your friends are just in two different places in life. This happens. This happened with my best friend. I can't drop everything to hang out with her, but I could be more open to it and plan more. She could also be more patient with me. It takes work on everyones parts.

    I hope things change for you or something. It sucks when friendships change like this, but it's a part of life, unfortunately.

    I would say, try to find some other friends that don't have kids, that are in the same place as you in life. You can keep this other girls as friends, too, don't completely give up, but have others who you can talk to about other stuff beyond children. I'm sure that would get irritating. It would irritate me,which Is why I like to talk about a bunch of other things with friends. Good luck!

  • rachmorgan01

    @noPrinceCharming@datingish - Wow, your replies to other comments conveyed a much more pressing issue than the original post. Sounds to me like someone's a little selfish (not you). The comments she makes to you are absolutely uncalled for, and certainly not anything a true friend would say! How dare she rub your infertility in your face! Like you don't already feel bad enough about your situation.... It's not your job to take care of her kids when you are together, and if she thinks you don't do a good enough job with them (saying you wouldn't know what to do with your own is a pretty clear indication that she thinks you're inept), why does she allow you to care for them in the first place? I'm wondering if she is a little jealous of your life. You still have freedom, and maybe she's missing that?... If it's not jealousy, it could be some sort of insecurity in her new role as a mother. Nothing makes an insecure person feel more empowered than when they can cut someone else down.... Might be a good idea to try discussing things with her again, and if it doesn't change, take a break or cut her out completely. You need friends who are going to be as supportive to you as you are to them. As far as the other friend goes, the one expecting a baby, hang in there. It's so exciting when you're expecting your first baby, and I doubt she's purposely trying to hurt you by talking about it so much.

    I know how hard it is to see other people getting what you desperately want. Right now, a lot of people I know are pregnant or have recently given birth. My husband and I have been trying to conceive for nearly 2 years with no luck, and I'd be lying if I said it's not killing me to see so many people getting pregnant and having babies. One friend went off her BC, and was pregnant 2mo later! I've been off mine since August of 2010.... I'm happy for my pals, and make sure I tell them so, but it still tugs on my heart strings. This might sound completely ridiculous since I have been blessed with 3 children already, but I want more so desperately that I actually get frustrated when that time of the month hits...

    My best friend who is single and childless has been jealous of me since my wedding in 2008. She has said some really harsh, insensitive things to me during the past 4 years, and I've been less and less available to her because of this. Pregnancy number 3 was met with the most criticism. She actually said: "Geez, Rach.... How many kids do you think you need? Try keeping your legs closed!" 
    Her and l go months without seeing each other, weeks without texting, and it seems like our only correspondence is on Facebook. She is so jealous of the life I have that she feels she has to try to make me feel bad about being happy. I try to be supportive of her decisions, I encourage her to keep going when she thinks the whole world is crashing, and I get hell in return. Please don't let your friends make you feel as bad as mine makes me feel! Let's hope you have more courage than I do and can walk away if you need to.

  • newportbreeze@xanga
    She's being really selfish right now. She needs to respect that you can't have children and that it makes you feel like crap. If not, you should start hanging out with new people who share your interests. People change, even if your life is constant. 
    On a side note: I'm not even 20 yet and everyone around me is having babies or wanting them. I still consider myself a child myself, yet all my friends WANT children now. I'm in a relationship, but neither of us want a child for another 5 or so years. It pisses me off that everyone has "baby fever" and I'm just eh whatever; in the future.
  • Ride_Every_Stride@xanga

    I just have to say, using their first names will not mean that all us random xangans will instantly know who you're talking about!!! 

    That being said, I know how you feel. Pretty much everyone I went to high school with is getting married & pregnant but I just watch Friends & Sex & the City & shows where everyone still has a life well into their twenties & think that I can always have a family when I'm thirty but if I start now, I won't be able to have my life back again until I'm 40.

  • shondadiane@xanga

    currently, I have 9 friends that are pregnant...
    1 having her 1st
    5 having their 2nd
    2 having their 3rd
    and 1 having her 4th...

    yeah...and here's me sitting here with nothing, but you know what...when my hubby's ready I will be...I am ready whenever he is...

    hubby will be deploying this fall, so I am thinking after he gets back...we shall see

  • Jade_Orchid@xanga

    I have been married three years and I get the question all the time about having kids. Here is what I can tell you at this point. A little more honest and rude response. . . 


    GET SOME SINGLE FRIENDS!!! (with no kids)
    I have couple friends with kids and most of them are cool about not talking about kids all the time. I usually play with the kids (and babies) because I love kids and babies. We just don't have any. But, I do have couple friends with no kids and some that can not have kids so we never get the opportunity to talk about them as much except to laugh about how our "non" kids will hook up or why we SHOULDN'T plan on having kids. I also have friends that have no boyfriend and I love going out with them living vicariously through them on their one-night stand romps.
    Good luck to you and guess what- if you don't want to go to the baby shower you don't have to. Send her a gift and a card through the mail.
  • sarahsmurfette@xanga

    Having read the post and the comment follow-up, I don't think the issue is kids. The issue is a friendship that has grown apart.

    It is a loss. But it's a part of life, I'm sad to say. And as we grow, which we must do in our own way, sometimes it leads us away from people who were once important. It doesn't make your history together any less. But it also doesn't mean you have to hold on to the lifeless body of a friendship ad infinitum. Better to remember the good times as they were and move on, making good memories elsewhere.

  • Adrenaline_Unknown@xanga

    answer: Find single childless friends

  • the_rocking_of_socks@xanga

    You don't have to go to the shower.  It's perfectly acceptable to send a gift or a gift card with a thoughtful card attached to it.  You don't have to apologize for your absence, but you should at least explain (in a phone call or in person) why you won't be attending.

  • marzish@xanga

    if they can't understand you, how good of a friend are they, anyway?? If you've tried to be honest and aren't getting anywhere, then just plan a trip to go out of town, coincidentally during the baby shower. you could also be "sick" that weekend. I hate baby showers, and I'm a mom. I hated them a million times more when I was single and kid-less. So I 100% understand. Don't go if you don't want to!! They will get over it if they are really your friends, and besides, they are probably so wrapped up in the baby drama that they won't care if you're there or not. 


    screw it.
  • evilcleo@xanga

    If the event is going to be that hard for you, I'd just not go. They won't miss you. And if your friend does notice and ask you, be honest with her. If she's a good friend, she'll understand.

  • noPrinceCharming@datingish

    @Adrenaline_Unknown@xanga - easier said than done..The only people I can find that don't have kids are male..

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