Wednesday, 22 February 2012

  • Are You A Tiger Mom?

     

    Amy Chua, the Yale professor who caused a furor last year with her book Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother, has been battling all kinds of controversy. Prof. Chua's book came at a very bad time in terms of American national self-esteem. The economy was tanking, children's standardized test scores were bottoming out, bankrupt state governments were preparing to shave public school budgets to the bone .... and meanwhile the news out of China was getting increasingly uncomfortable. China was growing stronger by the day and The Economist estimated that the Chinese economy would probably surpass the American economy by 2040...no, 2030, ... no, 2025....no... 2017. And now Prof. Chua, the coldly-beautiful Yale academic with a daughter at Harvard, seemed to stick in the knife by implying that Chinese parenting was superior to American parenting. The outcry was enormous. It has often been stated that nothing can make a woman furious like saying that she's a bad mother. Bundle that up with a knock against national pride and an overall statement concerning the weakness of the American work ethic... and you will get a massive backlash.

    Part of that backlash, of course, was out of genuine concern over Prof. Chua's VERY harsh parenting skills. New York Times columnist David Brooks described a few of the scenes from Prof. Chua's memoir:

    Chua didn’t let her own girls go out on play dates or sleepovers. She didn’t let them watch TV or play video games or take part in garbage activities like crafts. Once, one of her daughters came in second to a Korean kid in a math competition, so Chua made the girl do 2,000 math problems a night until she regained her supremacy. Once, her daughters gave her birthday cards of insufficient quality. Chua rejected them and demanded new cards. Once, she threatened to burn all of one of her daughter’s stuffed animals unless she played a piece of music perfect.


    Other commentators were equally amazed at the unvarnished- nay, proud way this woman described the parental bullying her daughter received.

    In one extreme example, Chua mentioned that she had called one of her children “garbage,” a translation of a term her own father called her on occasion in her family’s native Hokkien dialect. Particularly controversial was the ‘Little White Donkey’ anecdote, where Chua described how she got her unwilling younger daughter to learn a very difficult piano piece. In Chua’s words, “… I hauled Lulu’s dollhouse to the car and told her I’d donate it to the Salvation Army piece by piece if she didn’t have ‘The Little White Donkey’ perfect by the next day. When Lulu said, ‘I thought you were going to the Salvation Army, why are you still here?’ I threatened her with no lunch, no dinner, no Christmas or Hanukkah presents, no birthday parties for two, three, four years. When she still kept playing it wrong, I told her she was purposely working herself into a frenzy because she was secretly afraid she couldn’t do it. I told her to stop being lazy, cowardly, self-indulgent and pathetic.” They then “work[ed] right through dinner” without letting her daughter “get up, not for water, not even for bathroom breaks.” The anecdote concludes by describing how her daughter was “beaming” after she finally mastered the piece and “wanted to play [it] over and over.”

    Uh, yeah right. Or maybe the daughter merely packed away that choice little memory to be retold to a therapist fifteen years later.

    The criticism was ferocious. Most people decried Prof. Chua's ridiculous, unreachable standards and violent threats when her children failed to attain the goals she set for them. Some people had more specific criticisms. Children forced to spend all their time memorizing facts and regurgitating them for tests do not tend to do well outside of school. Academic achievement needs to be mixed with good social skills for a person to succeed in the adult world... and good social skills can only be attained through what Prof. Chua described as "garbage activities:" dates, sleepovers, excursions or just simple hanging out. David Brooks described it accurately in his column Amy Chua is a Wimp:

    Practicing a piece of music for four hours requires focused attention, but it is nowhere near as cognitively demanding as a sleepover with 14-year-old girls. Managing status rivalries, negotiating group dynamics, understanding social norms, navigating the distinction between self and group — these and other social tests impose cognitive demands that blow away any intense tutoring session or a class at Yale.

    I massively agree!

    After the outcry Prof. Chua tried to do damage control. She put on a pair of high heels, slapped on a bright, flirtatious smile and made even Stephen Colbert go weak at the knees when she giggled that "the book is a memoir. It's supposed to be funny. It's a self-parody," during an interview. Not a lot of people bought that explanation. Still, in interviews Prof. Chua seems like a gracious woman who treats her questioners  with a great deal more kindness than what she apparently demonstrated towards her children. When one woman said "I admire mothers like you," Prof. Chua responded "Thanks. Well, I admire mothers like you." Well done.

    Still, I'm not a fan of the Tiger Mom personally. As long as a child is happy and healthy with a good sense of charity and public service I'm satisfied. Banning video games, TV on school nights and ice cream before dinner is about as far as I go in terms of restrictions for my kids.

    Are you a Tiger Mom? What are your thoughts on Prof. Amy Chua? What's your own parenting philosophy?


Comments (35)

  • nickiesneon@xanga

    I'm a Tiger Mom in the aspect that if you do anything to hurt my children, I'll rip your freakin head off.  Just like a tiger would if you stole his steak dinner.


  • angys_coco@xanga
  • TiPrometto@xanga

    I would consider myself a Tiger mom, but not quite as excessive as Chua. My kids know that I am the boss. My kids know that "their" toys are mine and can be taken away at any time for any reason if they misbehave. I set firm guidelines for behavior and actions in and outside of the house.  I love my children immensely, but they will not run over me like the majority of people's children do. They are well behaved because of the way I have raised them, and I'm proud of that. I will NEVER tire of hearing people (family and strangers alike) say how wonderful my kids are. 

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    When I'm a parent, I plan to teach my children to obey and behave.


    However, in my view, personal accomplishment and ambition are not the be all and end all of life. I would much rather my children be kind, self-sacrificing, and noble than the best at a particular achievement.
    What I just described is how I was raised, and you know what? I graduated college with a 4.0 average, and I'm in the process of publishing my first book. My non-Tiger mom's affirmation and love (combined with discipline) didn't hurt my ability to achieve one bit. 
  • akarui_mitsukai@xanga

    ...Wow. What do you say to this? I don't agree with her parenting style, the way it's carried out. I like that she sticks to her guns and doesn't back down. Children do need that. However, some of the things she does just seem HARSH in my opinion.


    However, on the other side, I believe that our school system as a nation sucks in comparison with other countries. We teach too much "by the test" and I see a lack of real learning. :/ When people are graduating high school and can't spell simple words correctly, we have a problem. When they can't do basic addition and division in their head, even if they have to tap their fingers (yeah, I'm a tapper... I just can't seem to think through math problems without writing them down, usually), we have a problem. When kids who graduate today are LESS mature than people their age years ago... We have an issue. A lot of it is found in basic parenting. However, a lot of it is the school systems. Two failures together just make things even worse. I wish that parents would take initiative and start helping their children to learn better. And I wish that schools would quit worrying so much about standardized test scores, and get back to just being schools, where people learn the material instead of just remember long enough for a test. You know?
    That is my simple stand. Thanks for sharing! Wow.
  • WaitingToShrug@xanga

    Why is it that every critique of this book is not based on the actual book, but on what some media thing says about it?


    I have actually read the book. She expresses regret for behaving that way to her children, and notes that the approach didn't work for her youngest daughter.


    Also, based on the quality of our youth at the moment, I don't think we have any business criticizing a woman whose daughters are actually succeeding. Just because it's different from the feel-good, boost your self-esteem without requiring any real achievements approach that American parents seem to favor, doesn't mean that it's wrong. Having very high standards and not being your kid's best friend is okay.


    And by the way, if you've ever read the oldest daughter's blog, she seems well-mannered and polite, kind and at ease with herself. Spending time with a bunch of kids that are your own age is NOT the best way to learn social skills, especially with a view to future employment. On the contrary, interaction with adults is far more important and useful. This is a reason why public school, with 30 kids born in the same year in a classroom, is not a good prep for life after high school.

  • DirtyAndShaken@xanga

    The problem when this book came out is that no one bothered to read it, they just read the clips and snippets that bloggers and media published.  I actually read the book.  The last portion of the book was full of Chua's regrets and reflections on the way she raised her daughters.  She admitted that her relationship with her oldest daughter was probably beyond repair for the most part.  I think the reason she was able to treat the questioners with kindness was because of her reflection on the wrong-doings in raising her kids. 

    No, I'm not a Tiger Mother, but given my knowledge of her culture in which she was raised, I can see why she parented the way she did.  This doesn't excuse her choices. America has gone rather soft in it's own style of parenting (compare us to France, for example, the next big parenting-style book to hit the bestseller list this year) and television, video games and iPads pretty much run younger generations now.  Look at our standardized tests in public schools.  Our newspapers are written at a 5th grade level so your 'average' reader can comprehend it's contents.  It's easy to see why her style of parenting seems to extreme compared to our ideals.

    I will say, I admire the fact she was honest about her experience.  I think the majority of us might've made this revelation about our grand parenting mistakes, internalized it and pretend it didn't happen.  Having put yourself out there like that... I can't even imagine.

  • DirtyAndShaken@xanga

    @WaitingToShrug@xanga - I think we just posted at the same time, and I'm not surprised to find our opinion on the topic parallels : )  I wholeheartedly agree.

  • WaitingToShrug@xanga

    @DirtyAndShaken@xanga - LOL, so we did. I disagree with your comment about the newspapers though. I think they are written at the 5th grade level not so that the average reader can comprehend them, but because that is the level that the journalists themselves are at. ;)

  • DirtyAndShaken@xanga

    @WaitingToShrug@xanga - Bahahaha!  Yeah, I think you're right : )  I started off as  Journalism major in college, and quickly left the field when I got my first taste of work in the real world.  I shudder to think of how I'd feel now being in that field as an adult!

  • millionofstars@xanga

    I have no respect for Amy Chua or any love for her. Why does she think studying is the whole point of life?


    Will it matter when you are 80 what grade you got on a math test in 8th grade? Will it make you live forever? Will it make you the smartest person in the world? Will it make you the wealthiest person in the world?


    Forbidding her girls to even live is simply abuse.


    I cannot even open her book.


    To this day I just toss the book.


    I'd rather have kids run, play, live, and love.


    Life is more than perfection.


    Life is love.


    Amy Chua has no heart.

  • xiaosnowtenshi@xanga

    @millionofstars@xanga - She thinks that is the right way to raise children because that is how every generation does it. It's "worked" (despite the high suicide rates) for years and so nobody thinks to question it. Additionally, it's not the whole point of life, just until you land a good job. Our parents want us to strive for the highest grades in school so that we're successful in landing a stable job that will support our hobbies and whatnot. I'm in no way condoning this method or saying it's the right method to raise every child, but knowing that my mom HAD to grow up this way out of financial necessity I do understand the logic behind it.

  • msbrownstone@xanga

    @nickiesneon@xanga - i think that's the best kind of mom to be; your kids are lucky.

  • millionofstars@xanga

    @xiaosnowtenshi@xanga - True but forcing children to study instead of living is not right. Amy embarassed and shamed her children. How can anybody treat kids like that? So who cares if her girls did not make her the 'perfect' birthday card? Who is to say what perfection is? Nobody is perfect. Yet Amy wants her children to be something that does not exist. Perfection is imaginary.


    I still do not appreciate Amy Chua at all.

  • msbrownstone@xanga

    when i first read about the "tiger mom" in the new yorker, it honestly made me sick. i acknowledge that MANY parents do not discipline their children or push them to succeed- but this mother is an example of what every parent should strive NOT to be. is it really worth a harvard degree if you have pained memories of your mother calling you a piece of trash and threatening not to feed you because you didn't have a perfect score on the SAT? i think not. i think a parent's main goal should be to teach their children to be respectful, polite, and hard working. if my mother treated me the way that "tiger mommie dearest" did, i think i would have a nervous breakdown. 

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @WaitingToShrug@xanga - I usually agree with you, and I agree with most of what you say here.


    Where I diverge is this: There's a difference between not being your child's best friend and belittling them. My parents were strict, homeschooled me, and didn't always let me do what my friends did, but they were never cruel, and they didn't put me down. It's possible to be in control of your children without yelling and being harsh. From other comments you've made on here, it seems like we probably really agree on this :) 
    I have many close Asian friends, and I have seen firsthand the misery this style of parenting can create when it is carried this far.
  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @millionofstars@xanga - This. The problem is, the good things she did, in my view, are drowned out by the horrors.

  • BaBiixJo@xanga

    That was one book I actually enjoyed reading! When I am a mother, I definitely want to be a softer tiger mom.

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @WaitingToShrug@xanga - I used to be a journalism major. They actually do teach you to write a certain way for the sake of the public. Don't shoot the messenger 

  • phoebester@xanga

    @DirtyAndShaken@xanga - I agree with your complaint about people passing judgement on a book without actually reading it. That is a huge sin in our blogger society today.


    That being said, while Amy Chua may have expressed regret over the harshness of her parenting style at the end of "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother".... she has since contradicted herself several times. She published an article in the Wall Street Journal called, unambiguously, "Why Chinese Mothers are Superior" and then went on a talk show this January to say: "I am a proud, strict mom." No apologies.


    I'm not asking the woman to declare herself a failure as a mother. She's not! But it is a little disingenuous to say that she regrets her actions towards her daughters when she has contradicted herself on the appropriateness of her parenting style several times.

  • DirtyAndShaken@xanga

    @phoebester@xanga - Hmm.  The feeling I got from reading the last section of the book was that she had a heavy burden of regret, and also moments and accomplishments that she was proud of.  I can only imagine that she is conflicted, feeling so convicted in her parenting while she was going through it.  I can understand (though I am wildly American and quite proud of the country of which I am a native) why she might feel that Chinese mothers are superior.  While I don't agree with her parenting style or the way she raised her kids, I don't think she really owes anyone outside of her girls an apology.  (I can barely hold my eyes open, so I hope this was coherent....)

  • clonedmonkey@xanga

    Hey this is a great post, I actually saw this on tv.. lol (!!~Go Tiger Mom Go~!!)

  • simply_me_x33@xanga

    You write so well! :)


    Very interesting topic!
  • AmorVomnia7@xanga
  • WaitingToShrug@xanga

    @Pickwick12@xanga - You're right, we do agree. I don't think that calling your kid names is alright, at all. My main beef is that the reviews I read of the book completely skip over the end, where she expresses regret at the things that she did. That said, I think that overly permissive parenting can leave the child even more poorly equipped to deal with the world. It also troubles me (and probably you, as well) to hear social skills being touted as the most important thing for children to learn in their minor years. You know? First of all, I don't think that most schools do a good job of teaching that, with the cliques and age grouping and teaching to the lowest common denominator. Second, I think that character and academics are more important. And her girls are actually doing pretty well, as opposed to the average American youth of today. :/


    @AmorVomnia7@xanga - Thanks. :)

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