Wednesday, 28 December 2011

  • Religion and Children - Parents of Different Beliefs

    My partner and I would eventually like to be married with children. I felt that we were on the same page, mostly, with how we belief we should raise our children until we get onto the topic of baptism.

    We were raised in two different religions (I was Mormon and he was Anglican) but neither of us follow either Church anymore or 100% believe in God, Jesus Christ etc. I see us as being non religious people, against the institution, but open to the idea of a higher power.

    Aside from the different believes the two religions have over when a baptism should be preformed our biggest issue that my partner claims could make or break us having children is WHY we should have our children baptized. Baptism to me, or any association with a Church is based on a commitment and belief in that Church. My partner sees it as a tradition and something to be done to respect his family.

    He doesn't like my rational and I don't like his. I see no point in bringing in religion for a few hours and then leaving it again. This would be my own family that I am creating and I want mine and his wishes to be what we personally want and not based on what our family would think of us. I also feel it would be disrespectful to use a ceremony such as baptism and not commit to the Church.  He sees no harm in going along with it and actually finds more harm (to his family and community) if we don't do it.

    This is a huge topic that gets really really deep as I'm sure some of you can imagine but my question is: If you and your partner share different beliefs on the role of religion in your child's life how did you decide what to do?


Comments (21)

  • MagisterTom@xanga

    It sounds like neither of you are serious about your faith. With that in mind, I would say to not have the child baptized, as it doesn't seem to mean as your religions don't seem to mean that much to you. More importantly, I would say to choose which you and he believe and dedicate yourself into that. That being said, Mormonism is a cult religion, and I would strongly suggest not going that direction. Instead, find a church that sticks to the bible and preaches the Gospel clearly, then repent and place your faith in Christ and be saved.

    I'm sure others will reply to this and say how offensive I am for saying Mormonism is a cult and all that, I know it is offensive people, but the truth often is. I won't be coming back to argue with anyone who decide to reply on that basis. Instead, I suggest you properly research what Mormonism is and its history.

  • greene_lily@xanga

    My own personal beliefs are this: baptism is meant for those who understand what it means. That means it's your child's choice as to when and where and to what church he/she dedicates his/herself to and that also means that they have to be old enough to make that decision. Take note that there are NO infant baptisms told of in scriptures. It may state that a man and his family were baptized, which I'm sure included infants, but infants were not baptized by themselves, considering that baptism involves full immersion, NOT sprinkling on the head. Not even Yahshua (Jesus was baptized as an infant, he was taken to the temple and blessed at 8 days old, but not baptized until he was an adult. It's great that you guys are trying to work out your religious standings now, before you have children. But keep in mind that people change over the course of time. When I first met my husband, he was religious and I was atheist. Now he's agnostic and I'm a Messianic Jew and although he's trying to learn with me, things haven't been the smoothest. I would suggest really sitting down and discussing what things you agree upon and what you don't, even make a list if you need to. Then if you feel the urge to attend a church, find one that you both can agree on. My husband and I don't attend church, we hold our own at home. I teach the children and give him lessons on what I know when he expresses an interest. But if religion isn't that important to you right now, I wouldn't worry about trying to get your child baptized just to please the relatives. Once you start down that road, it's a nightmare. They'll expect you to go along with every piece of advice they give, even if you don't agree. It's going to continue to cause a problem in your marriage, trust me. When you get married, you're married to that person and you have to live with that person. You deal with the family as a couple. Good luck with whatever you decide.

  • LadyGwenivere@xanga

    @MagisterTom@xanga - i actually agree with everything you said.

    and to the OP i think it would be much worse for you to have your child/children baptized with no intention of following through raising them in that faith.  Infant baptism/dedication is more the commitment of the parents and the members of the congregation/community to raise that child in that faith/religion. It would be better to not have them baptized at all.
    We are in the process of adopting our children and we have not yet decided how or if we are going to deal with dedication, as we are not members of any church. We are praying about it.. but right now it looks like our pastor will be praying over us and then officially presenting us as a family (kinda like they do married couples) when we have our post-adoption-we-are-offically-a-family party.

  • kaybaby666@xanga

    @MagisterTom@xanga - There is a difference between mainstream Mormonism, that I grew up in, and the Fundamentalist Mormons you see in places such as the one Warren Jeffs led. I got out of Mormonism because of my belief in same sex marriage (one held by many other faiths). Mainstream Mormonism I see as really be no different, less or more cult like than Catholicism for example. Keep in mind I didn't come here asking for your opinion on Mormonism and it is actually irrelevant to the question I am asking. I added that information just to show how there would be differences such as Anglican belief in infants baptism and the Mormon belief of baptism at age 8. 


    I do believe that you are right that we should do what we feel is best.  
    @greene_lily@xanga - My partner and I had always said that we wanted our children to be spiritually open. If they wanted to check out the different religions they would be more than welcome. I want my children to have done their own searching before deciding if baptism or whichever is what they want. The idea of baptizing to please the relatives would be a nightmare, you're right on that point for sure! His sister is currently pregnant, I should ask her what she is doing and the discussions she and her husband have had on it!
    @LadyGwenivere@xanga - I agree with you. My partner is making is sound like the Anglican baptism isn't a commitment but the Mormon baptism is so that's who I look at baptisms. Congratulations on your adoption!  
  • MagisterTom@xanga

    @kaybaby666@xanga - While there are differences and the LDS isn't like FLDS, that doesn't change that they are a cult. They have added Scripture that isn't part of the bible that goes against what the bible teaches. Since you don't seem too involved in it, I won't bother to go further though.


    I would suggest you pick up a bible and read it and see the truth though.
  • jenessa1889@xanga

    I definitely get his temptation to just go through with it to avoid his family making comments.

    On the other hand, it feels to me disrespectful to people who actually believe to go through with a supposedly sacred ritual when you don't believe it's sacred.

    My family is traditionally catholic, and we still do traditional catholic burials including a Catholic mass, but plenty of us are now atheist and we skip communion.
    It's not that we're trying to make a demonstration out of sitting through communion, but that we genuinely feel bad about accepting a sacrament we don't believe in anymore.   If they knew we were atheist they would be highly offended at us taking communion.

    It's tricky because we want to respect the deceased, but we also want to respect the faith of the living.

    same kind of deal, on the one hand it's respectful to his family and their traditions (not to mention it's much easier to explain) to get the child baptized, and the kid won't know so who cares, but on the other hand you want to respect their belief that it's actually a meaningful ceremony, not just a tradition.

    I say skip it, but that's just me

  • ShamrockLover@xanga

    This is so tough.  I am not part of any religion and my husband is Catholic.  We do not attend church.  I didn't see baptism as a big deal and would support it if my husband wanted to baptize our children.  I guess i looked at it like prayer....people can do it and i can just do my own thing during the prayer.  The baptism would mean nothing to me, but it would make my husband happy so i was willing to do it.  I didn't really care about the commitment part of it.  Luckily he didn't bring it up or push the issue, so we didn't get our girls baptized.


    As for the Mormon religion, i live in Utah and i'm not Mormon, but i'm surrounded by the religion.  While i think some of the beliefs are off the wall, i would never be disrespectful and come onto someone's blog and comment about it being a cult.  What makes his religion any better than anyone else's?  His comment bothered me because of the 'holier than thou' way he came across.   But whatever.
  • splinter1591@xanga
  • written_conversations@xanga

    If neither of you are committed, don't get your kids baptised. There's no point baptising them into a religion only to ignore it for the next ten years.

  • Digital_Angel21@xanga

    I don't believe in doing things like getting your kids baptized just to appease friends and family. Neither of you are committed to the church. It would be a different story if he wanted the child baptized because he was committed to the church and wanted that for his child.

    And I agree it is disrespectful to the church. I went to church here and there before I was 18 after I converted to another faith to prevent fighting with my parents and upsetting my grandparents, but I never took communion because it would be a lie.

  • Pollypinks@xanga

    Do not allow this to cause friction in your relationship.  You have a child to raise, and that's more important than any ritual.  Rituals can be for very different reasons, and  your reason isn't necessarily more correct than his.  If it's a deal breaker for him, then do some research, and try to find a way to accommodate this.  I belong to a Presbyterian faith, which is similar to what your husband believes, or used to, and it's more of a way of bringing the child into to the faith community to be loved and supported by those in that community.   The child need not be a believer to have people helping and supporting him/her, and it can be a useful influence during growing up years, especially during difficult times.  I too was raised Mormon, but baptism there is being baptized into the church, and Anglican baptism is being baptized into the faith community, which includes all reformed churches and their traditions.  I would open myself up to it rather that make it a deal breaker.

  • myemotionalcatharsis@xanga

    I usually never comment but this is a topic that I myself am struggling with at the moment. I am Baptist and my boyfriend is Buddhist. My boyfriend and I click and I truly believe that this is the guy that I am going to marry and have kids with in the future, despite us being 19. Unfortunately he doesn't share my religious beliefs and although I hold onto hope that one day he will become Christian, I cannot count on it. Lately I've been thinking about asking him if we were to have kids, if he'd be okay with me raising our kids up Christian. Having parents of different religious beliefs is a very touchy subject. It's important to talk and discuss this out early on because if not, conflicts will occur later on when it comes to many things, such as raising kids. For me, since I am Baptist, I do not believe in infant baptism, but baptism reserved only for believers. In addition, being Baptist means that I believe baptism is only by immersion, not by sprinkling or pouring water. My hope is that my boyfriend will understand how important it is for me to want the best for my kids. Thus, I hope my kids will share the same faith that I do and in the future when they are old enough to understand the meaning of baptism and what it stands for, they can make the decision for themselves. I would not baptize an infant that does not understand what baptism is and what it is for. Like others said, if you and your spouse are not committed to a church, there is no point in baptizing because it is disrespectful to do something that would not mean much to you but holds a lot of importance to the church. Devouted Christians take baptism very seriously and I would not do it if it was not as important to you as it should be.

  • FirstxChairxOrchxDork@xanga

    Take a step back from how you and your partner feel about baptism, and see how the Church feels about it. Whether a church believes in infant or believer baptism, its a big deal.  Before the baptism, the pastor asks either the parents or the believer a set of questions. These questions are vows to raise your child up in the fear adn admonition of the Lord, or to keep seeking the Lord yourself (depending on who's being baptized.) While it is not an act of salvation, it is a public display in ones faith. 


    That being said, I don't think baptism should take place "Just Because." Rituals are pointless unless they have the proper meaning behind them. If neither of you have a relationship with God, then you should baptize your child, in the illusion that you do. 
    Now, I do, want you both  to read the bible and seek out the truth for yourselves. 
  • AncoraImparo@xanga

    Honestly? I'd do it to placate the family. In particular, my grandmother, who would most certainly believe the infant would burn in the fiery pits of hell if not done at birth. The woman is old, doesn't have many more years, and I don't want her dying knowing that the child is doomed.
    I'd also do it to uphold the family tradition - I was baptized at birth, my mother and all her siblings were, my grandmother and her siblings were, and her mother was as well. And so on and so on. They even use the same baptism "dress". Who knows how long this has been going on.
    I'm not what you call a Christian, either. I don't subscribe to a church.
    This ritual does have meaning to many. Just not to you...or me. But I'll still follow through with the silly tradition. Everything doesn't have to be about me and my personal beliefs. Sometimes it's about family.

  • ThA_sLo_1@xanga

    Personally, when I have children, I want them to decide for themselves what religion (if any) to practice. I was not brought up religious, my mother was raised roman catholic and my father was loosely evangelical. Growing up my father proudly announced himself as an atheist and my mom considers herself a non-practicing catholic. I personally don't practice or believe in any religion - though I have been up and down my whole life. My boyfriend isn't religious at all and neither is his family either. Him and I have both agreed that if we one day do have children that it would be up to them to decide their faith. We would never push on them the fact that we do not believe or practice in any religion. I will happily educate them as much as I can about all the possible religions out there - and hopefully with that they can make their own decision at their own time what religion to or to not practice.

  • NightCometh@xanga

    Please don't cheapen baptism by having your child baptized into a faith you don't even hold to.  

  • valeriebeth04@xanga

    if you no longer follow the religion then why is baptism such a big deal?

  • Tallman@xanga

    Baptism is a ritual for a lot of people and rituals are important to humans because we find comfort in them. And they give families who don't see each other much a chance to tighten family bonds a bit. I think you shouldd give it a go...but that is just my opinion.

  • Katja88@xanga

    Where are you more likely to go to church?  Maybe the two of you should go to a few services together and see if one is better than the other for nurturing children without indoctrinating them.  Or, maybe a family member will want to take your children to church when they are visiting.

  • Lexi_Ann@xanga

    I usually dont comment on posts but I feel that this is something that I should inform you on. I wont even touch the topic of people believe mormons are a cult religion... I'm not a Mormon, tho I do not believe that.


    You don't "baptize" an infant. First off, infants don't go to hell and neither do children. It's when they reach the age of accountablilty somewhere around when they hit puberty. This is why the Jewish have a bar mitzah. The same hold true in Christianity. (the age of accountablility)... Tho it is different for every child.
    Now going back.. you don't "baptize" infants. You can have them christianed or dedicated. All this is is that you are dedicating the child to the Lord and promise to raise the child accordingly.
    Baptism is an outward show of you commitment to Christ. A matter of fact, a water baptism is no longer required "to go to Heaven." When we accept Christ that is called baptism by blood. This is what we need to "go to Heaven." Since a baptism by blood is a spiritual occurence that no one but you and the Lord can witness, the water baptism is an outward show, a public display, of your commit to Christ. It's not required, but it does make God happy. You must first be baptized by blood first before a water baptism means anything. (know what i mean).
    So going back to dedicating your baby to the Lord, it's really YOU committing to raise the child as a Christian. 
    Hope that helps with your decision. At least on an education level! 
  • Livingthelife

    I face this same dilemna but unfortunately I am the one facing (more) pressure from the family.  I am no longer a believing christian but do believe in a higher power and am open to learning about and understanding other religions.  I would want to pass on this same attitude to my child, even if my husband does not have a strong believe in any higher power. The question is, how to appease family while sticking to your own beliefs? Once my baby is born, I know I will have to have a conversation with my family about allowing my child to be baptised when they are able to choose which belief system they are draw to. It's not going to be fun.  I have been anticipating this conversation for a long time, I have been expecting pressure about this issue ever since I got married.  But I feel strongly that we need to do what is right for our child and our selves first before catering to the larger family's wishes.

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