Tuesday, 13 December 2011

  • Best Advice Ever - Live FOR Each Other

    I've been married for 9 years. I've known my husband for 11 years. When we started dating and got married, we heard all sorts of advice from all sorts of people. Most of it was good advice, some of it was bad. We were told "you guys will never make it. You should just break up." (Husband was military and gone most of the beginning of our relationship.) We were told "Don't go to bed angry, you'll regret it." Over the years I've just thrown that bit of advice out the window. Everyone knows that going to bed angry can lead to angry sex and that's just awesome!

    But the best advice I've ever gotten I gave to myself. I've watched friends fall in love, get married (or not), be miserable, and break up. I've seen people stay in relationships that will always be miserable just for the sake of the children or just because they are afraid of what may be on the other side of the break up. And I've drawn a conclusion that has led to the best relationship advice ever: Most people are so excited about living together that they forget to live for each other.

    In order to have a happy successful relationship, you have to live your life to make your partner happy. And if they are doing the same for you, how can you be miserable? It's when one person gets selfish and takes the other for granted that the problems start. One person can't always be the taker and one can't always be the giver. 

    So here's my advice for you: Don't just live with each other, live FOR each other.

    What's the best advice you were ever given? And how has it helped you?


Comments (19)

  • patrickrebeccaadoption

    We have been married for 13 years and were in the military for the first 5 1/2 years of our marriage. When he would come home from deployment, we would have that "Honeymoon" stage for the first 2 weeks. Most couples do not get to experience this. The advice that I have learned is 1) to remember why you feel in love with him and when he is being a butt, tell him you love him with a smile on your face. 2) try to laugh at everything, and 3) Marriage is hard, it is not easy. There will be time you love him and there will be times that you don't, but if you keep these three things in mind, your marriage will last through the hard times.


    Your post made me laugh and remember back. Thanks, I needed to do that. God Bless!!

  • sarahsmurfette@xanga

    I commented on this on a sister site...this advice goes against what our marriage therapist says. However, I'm glad that it helps you. And people have different personalities and love languages, so the same advice won't be applicable to all.


    I like what @patrickrebeccaadoption  said. Maybe I just identify because I'm also a military wife, although my husband's duties don't take him away for that long (he's in the coast guard, his duty keeps him away from home much much more often that he is home, but at least it is only days or weeks at a time).
  • dewit1@xanga

    well thats just what love is. living for others. XD so of course that would come off as the best advice "love your husband" :P

  • shauna100@xanga
  • PervyPenguin@xanga

    I don't undertsnad marriage or relationships, but to live FOR a person seems foolish. Just as much as having a person be the definition of your life. (i.e,: "So-and-so is my life!") The way I see it is that a person can be a part of your life, hell, even be a big part, but you should live for yourself because such things aren't and can't be permanent.

  • greene_lily@xanga

    I wasn't expecting this one to get published on here, since it had been a while. I can't find the link to the sister site (I believe it was datingish?) But I did clarify my position on my original statement. 


    You are right when you say that you can't live your life entirely for another person, because you will lose a part of who you are. Living your life for someone else means doing whatever you can to make sure that person is happy and comfortable. My husband and I live our lives for one another, but we are still separate people with separate interests. He likes to work out at the gym and loves the latest in technology. I would be miserable in the gym (unless I was watching him work out) and I'd rather learn how to survive with NO technology. We complete each other with our differences. Living your life for someone else means helping them to reach their full potential, and if they are doing the same for you, you can't lose yourself. It means knowing that no matter what, you have someone who is there to help you to be strong when you don't feel you can be. And if that's being miserable and lost, then I'm very glad I'm lost.
    @sarahsmurfette@xanga - I'm not saying this to be snide, but has your marriage therapist helped you? And how long have you been seeing them? I'm offering advice, as a person who has never had a NEED for a marriage therapist. 
    @patrickrebeccaadoption - I hated the separations and deployments (hubs did two tours in Iraq and Kuwait) but I loved the reunions. You're right, those tiny honeymoons were wonderful, especially since we never were actually able to take an official one. 
  • sarahsmurfette@xanga

    @greene_lily@xanga - Yes, as a matter of fact, our marriage therapist did help us. And I find your comment about needing a therapist to be not only rude and offensive but way off base. My Grandfather was a psychiatrist. My aunt is a family therapist. My brother in law is a counsellor. I have a strong background in the benefit of therapy *before* a problem arises. It's like getting preventative medicine, an annual check-up, your oil changed. It does not mean that your relationship is in any way inferior to someone else's who declares that they don't "need" therapy. Going to that therapist was the best thing we ever did for our marriage. I highly recommend it to any married couple, for the reasons I just stated. It is far easier to keep a train going in the right path BEFORE it is derailed.


    Wow.
  • greene_lily@xanga

    @sarahsmurfette@xanga - I'm sorry that you found it to be rude and offensive, mostly I was just curious if it HAD helped and how long you'd been going before you saw improvement in your relationship. But you raise a good point. I know of several couples who never made it through therapy sessions and only one who has and their relationship is still tenuous at best. As I said, I've never been so I don't know what sort of advice a therapist would have given. I've never been and still feel no need to. But chances are good that if my friends had started therapy sessions before they had problems, their marriages wouldn't have ended so badly. I suppose I've always gone by the statement "if it's not broken, don't fix it" but your comment makes alot of sense. You don't have to go into specifics, but I'm curious: if you weren't having problems, what type of things would you discuss? I suppose my basic understanding is what I've seen on tv, and I know that's not accurate. Two people arguing with one another and a therapist saying "and how does that make you feel?" I'm always open to enlightenment on a topic I'm not familiar with. So now I have two questions for you:

    How do you feel about my clarification? (I still stand by my advice and the clarification both)What kind of advice do you, coming from a family of therapists, recommend for couples?
  • sarahsmurfette@xanga

    @greene_lily@xanga - I think the clarification was definitely better. 


    The advice I would give is to seek out help before a problem gets out of hand, in the beginning. If you find yourself coming back to the same issues in little arguments, see a counsellor or talk to someone you both trust and who has good experience. 
    We only went to 5 sessions, and it got better immediately. And I mean immediately. Because one of my things was that I want to fight it out, and my husband comes from a family with a father who was emotionally abusive and my husband couldn't fight in the moment or he would hear nothing and fight everything like an injured animal. I don't mean physically by the way, just mean-spirited. 
    From the first session I felt like we could leave the argument with the therapist. We left holding hands and smiling and laughing with each other. Even though things weren't instantly "fixed" I felt like the issues were being addressed and I was not being ignored. I felt free to enjoy him again.
    The sort of things we discussed? Our therapist asked us if our parents were still married and how long they had been together. Then she added up those years and encouraged us saying "you have, between your families, over 50 years of marriage experience. You have deep roots, you have the strength to weather the storm." I found out through the therapy how to "argue" with my husband in a productive manner. We each had an individual session and then 3 sessions together so she knew us, our personalities, individually. It was a wonderful experience and I wholeheartedly believe that if other marriages got help when problems began to arise rather than when it was too late, there would be far fewer divorces.
    And our problem was just life stress. He's in the military, I was 8 months pregnant with our second child, and we were facing a move across country instantly after the baby was born. He had to miss his brother's wedding because I was due in the same week and they lived in Virginia (us in Florida). We were simply unhappy. There was no drama.
  • greene_lily@xanga

    @sarahsmurfette@xanga -  Thank you for explaining that. I'll be honest, when you first posted that you disagreed by stating that your marriage therapist disagreed, I thought "How could she argue with this advice when she's needed a therapist and I have not?" (I will admit to having a bit of an ego at times.) But when you came back and explained that it was more for preventive purposes, that made perfect sense. I do think that it's a good idea for couples to attend some therapy sessions before they have problems. My husband and I have never actually been to therapy, but we were required before marriage to take a "marriage class" through the military. They talked about how to handle arguments productively (which is probably why we've only had one during our relationship, we attend to matters before they reach the blowing up stage). We talked through what our future goals were, what "family" meant to us, things like that. So it was probably a simplified version of a therapy session, I'm thinking. There were no one-on-one sessions, only group activities. 


    I cannot imagine the stress you must have been going through. We didn't have children until we were out of the military so we never had to deal with any of that. Other than deployments, the worse stress we had was when his father died. Hubs was deployed in Iraq and we had to contact the Red Cross to fly him home. It was a nightmare.
    Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions and explain about your experiences. I hope that if there is someone who needs it, they'll take your advice into consideration. You know, that's what I had originally hoped this post would be: a column full of the best advice people could offer and less of a debate concerning the validity of my own advice.
  • splinter1591@xanga

    seems like stupid advice..  Don't live for someone.  Live for yourself and your morals.  Find someone who agrees with those morals and goals and helps you become a better version of your self by encoraging you and helping you.



  • BlehhItsTu@xanga

    @splinter1591@xanga - Of course, find someone with similar values- but isn't selfish- who can put enough effort in for their partner without risking self respect- which is what the writer meant by, "Live for each other" :)

  • splinter1591@xanga

    @BlehhItsTu@xanga - bad way of wording it.  I would say the best advice is "respect eachother"

  • smile4iluvya@xanga

    To live for someone doesn't mean to lose yourself in such a pathetic way as Twilight's Bella. When things arent well with Edward, Bella loses all sense of life and joy. That's not what it really means to live for someone, though.  To live for someone means to consider how your every action may affect them, and consciously choose to further their happiness.  It means that you care enough about them and their happiness to work to that end. When you do, they tend to reciprocate and your needs are also met. I think this is excellent advice and would lead to much happier marriages.


    My sweetie and I have been married 8 years and have never had an argument escalate to the point of yelling or fighting.  When we were engaged, we took a class at our university that was geared towards establishing happy marriages (it's a private religious school).  Of  the many things we learned that have blessed our marriage, I think that the best one was a map.  The starting point was when a negative emotion arises (whether from an intentional offense, a misunderstanding, or differing opinions on a matter of importance).  From this starting point, there are three directions to go, two of which are "Flight" and "Fight" responses which lead in circles and don't take care of the issue. The third is a pathway with steps that go from as simple to recognizing the fact that you feel pain, to calming down a spouse that is headed into "Fight or flight". It teaches how to talk (and listen "between the lines", without interruption) in turns and to work toward a point where you both feel completely loved and understood. Once you reach this point, it's so much easier to come to a solution that leads  to mutual happiness.  As part of our homework, I studied this map and memorised the steps so completely that they became my natural response when something arose.  My husband did, too.  Because of this, we've always been able to resolve things without fighting or saying hurtful things (except a few times when I was pregnant and hormonal and not reasonable, but even those were satisfactorilly resolved once I'd done my emotional 180).


      In all my eight wonderful years, I've never once regretted marrying or wished to get out of it.  I think that the idea of always striving to serve and give joy to your spouse, in partnership with the map described above, is the reason we do so well.  Things always get tense when one of us starts to become too selfish, and before it becomes an issue, we talk to each other using the model from the map, recommit to serve each other, and things clear again.  If anyone wants that map, give me your email address or something and I'll send it to you.  A happy marriage is one of the most beautiful things in life, and I wish more people knew how to work it. 

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  • greene_lily@xanga

    @splinter1591@xanga - Um...Isn't that what I just said? Read the comments and you'll see that I clarified my original post.


  • splinter1591@xanga

    @greene_lily@xanga - i'm sorry you couldn't explain your point in your original post. 

  • greene_lily@xanga

    I felt my original post was explained well. The clarification came from another post because people were asking more questions.

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