Thursday, 04 August 2011

  • Little Girls in An Adult World


    I'm not saying that if your mother let you wear a bikini or dance in a skimpy outfit that she was a terrible mother and you're doomed to be a hooker.  Some things really are innocent fun. Relax.

    I'm also not saying there's anything wrong with grown adults dressing and dancing however they want. If you're over 18, it's your own damn business what you do in your free time. Wanna be a stripper? Go for it. Hell, I'm even for legalized prostitution. 

    My point is simply that children could be hurt by being exposed to that. It's not that sex is a bad thing that we need to hide them from, it's that they're not ready for it yet.

    In a media-swamped country where unfortunately many children are parented by a television and good parents are told they're stifling their kids when they put any restrictions on their behavior or attire, it should be no surprise that we regularly find ourselves having the conversation "is this inappropriate?" when discussing young girls.

    From the "Single Ladies" dancers (a group of 9 year olds dancing in basically lingerie), to the kids on Toddlers in Tiaras, to the latest scandal about Submarine's swimsuit photos for young girls, we are constantly debating what is and is not appropriate for kids of a certain age.

    Leaving aside where that line should actually be drawn, there's one line of reasoning that always appears in these debates that makes me crazy. It goes something like this:

    "They're kids, they don't know it's sexual!"

    "We're reading something sexual into it!"

    "The sexiness is in the minds of the adults and we're putting that on them!"

    Basically, what's being argued is that it's not sexual because they are children and they don't think that way.

    I call bullshit.

    Looking at this argument for even a second makes you realize that it's ridiculous. By that logic, a child dancing on a stripper pole isn't a sexual thing simply because the child doesn't know what a stripper is. The fact that they don't know swinging around a pole is sexual doesn't mean it would be appropriate to teach them to do that and put them in front of an audience. 

    Similarly, they don't know shaking their ass or wearing garters is something that would be sexy on a grown adult, but that doesn't mean a dance teacher should be ordering those costumes and teaching them dance moves that would give my grandmother a heart attack.

    Clearly there are things a child shouldn't do, regardless of whether or not they understand the nature of it. I don't care if all that child thinks about is ice cream cones and ponies, if the way they're dressed or the way their dancing resembles a Victoria's Secret model on a run way that cannot possibly be good for them.

    Additionally, this assumes that if the children don't know they look like a miniature Playboy Bunny then there's no harm done -once again, bullshit. A kid doesn't need to know what sex is to be, consciously or unconsciously, registering that certain outfits and behaviors are deemed appealing on women.  It doesn't take long to make the connection that the way they're dressed and the way those women are dressed aren't different, and that could send some really damaging messages.

    They don't need to begin thinking at young ages that they need to expose their body or dance provocatively for any reason, regardless of whether they know yet that the reason adult women do it is to attract men.

    Basic rule of thumb: if it would be a sexy outfit on a grown woman, or a sexy behavior or dance, there's probably no good reason for a child to wear that or do that.

    So regardless of what specific things are and aren't appropriate, the idea that by virtue of being children everything they're taught to do and allowed to wear is appropriate is ridiculous.

    Girls don't suddenly turn 17 and out of no where lose their self esteem and begin to feel that they're a sex object to be bought and sold. That took a lot of time to create.

    One other thing I hate hearing:

    "I/my friend/my sister/my aunt 5 times removed was dressed like a hooker every Halloween from the age of 5 and she's fine, therefore this is harmless."

    Children are extraordinarily resilient. Just because that kid turned out fine doesn't mean it was a good environment to expose them to. Children can overcome almost anything, but they shouldn't have to if we're doing our jobs as parents and as general members of society.

Comments (37)

  • JandJinJapan@xanga

    The photo of the children above is rather disturbing.

  • JoneReyes@xanga

    I saw a little girl who was wearing high heals. I just shook my head, because it sends a wrong message out. I even heard on the news, that they have poll dancing for little kids, as young as seven years old. That's crazy. I have a three year old girl myself, so it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about, or I'm just saying my opinion. I don't let my daughter get changed in front of others, even though she's just a little girl, or let her wear heals, even if it's just around the house for dress up. It's sending a wrong message to other people and that's why there's a lot of petifile out there. Most of the time, I blame the parents, because their allowing their kids to be a target for petifilers. If they wouldn't allow their kids to dress like that, then they wouldn't be a target. Parents wanna get mad and take blame, when something happens to their kids, but then they don't look at what they did to cause things to happen. I shake my head sometimes. 

  • Colorsofthenight@xanga
  • Katja88@xanga

    I don't know that the problem is necessarily the little girls wearing those clothes or doing those things.  I think the bigger problem might be what people think of them.  What does the 10-year-old boy think of the 10-year-old girl in her skimpy bikini?  Or, what does the grown-up man think of the 12-year-old dancing like that?  You can have influence on what your child thinks, but you can't control the rest of the world.

  • ohforrealson@xanga

    I'm going to be one of the strictest parents I know.  I KNOW it.  I saw a picture on Facebook of a girl I used to be friends with when I was little (she just turned 18) who stuck her month-old daughter in front of a television set.  The caption said something like "aww, her fave tv show!!"



    First of all, a television is not a babysitter.  Do not treat it as one.  Some parenting practices is this country make me sad.  This is the generation that MY future child will grow up knowing.  Am I nervous about that?  Yeah, and reasonably.

    Sexualization of children is a huge hot button topic for me, too.  I fear for these girls' futures.  On a side note, you said that the girls in the photo were 9... there are nine year old boys in al-Shabab, armed with arsenal and sent out with orders to kill.  This is more than just an American problem.  Our youth are being corrupted all over the world, and who is doing anything to stop it?  Not enough people, that's who.
  • vain_apathy@xanga

    the idea of children having an innocent carefree childhood is a modern concept. prior to the 1950's kids were expected to earn their share in the family whether that be by working on the family farm, in the family business, in a coal mine or a factory. they were expected to be an asset. they were married off at younger ages, they often didn't get to choose their partners. rather it was decided by the parents based on financial or social benefits. these same idea's still persist in many other countries.

    kids today are pampered little beings who think the world revolves around them. i'm one of them too. i don't know if i'm better or worse for it. but i think its beneficial to remember that children were viewed in a very different light for entirety of human history prior to the previous century.

  • AmanduhPie@xanga

    My sister was looking for dance classes to enroll her daughter in and found a pre-school hip hop class complete with booty shaking.  For pre-schoolers....


    insane.


  • marzish@xanga

    Great point: "Girls don't suddenly turn 17 and out of no where lose their
    self esteem and begin to feel that they're a sex object to be bought and
    sold. That took a lot of time to create."

  • tsukiouji@xanga

    Please excuse me while I go downstairs to gouge my eyes out.

  • raspberryjade@xanga
  • pretty_inx_plaid@xanga

    @JandJinJapan@xanga - if you think the photo is disturbing you should see the video! or spare yourself, because i just told you that the video is way worse.

  • ange_lae@xanga

    THIS
    They don't need to begin thinking at young ages that they need to expose their body or dance provocatively for any reason.

    AND THIS
    Girls don't suddenly turn 17 and out of no where lose their self esteem
    and begin to feel that they're a sex object to be bought and sold. That
    took a lot of time to create.

  • T0m03@xanga
  • x_SwIm4ShArKs_x@xanga

    this was an issue on the tv show "dance moms" when the girls were put in provocative clothing. 

    yes, i do think it was wrong. true, they don't know that they're being sexual (or do they?) but that doesn't make it "right" for them to dress or dance like that. 
    if you've ever seen the disney channel or nickelodeon you know that these "kids" shows have a lot of themes that are more "teen"-ish. children think that they need to start dating or acting a certain way because of what they see the characters on tv shows like "hannah montana" or "icarly" doing. kids are growing up WAY TOO FAST now. why we may not be able to control the media, we should be able to control how they learn to dress and have fun, including how they dance. 
    my worry is not that these girls will grow up and be prostitutes, but that, as they are right now, some sick pedophile is going to get off on them, or worse. it's disturbing to me. if this is the direction the world is headed (and the world of dancing as well) then i am worried for any children i have. 
    it's all about age-appropriateness. 
  • Kendall@lovelyish

    That's ridiculous! Our society today IS over sexing everything. I grew up running around the park and neighbor hood in swim suits and teeshirts and panties! No, the neighborhood boys at age ten didn't lust over my prepubescent body. I was also in dance class where we were stuck in outfits that would look like a stripper show on an adult. There was nothing wrong with it, BECAUSE WE WERE KIDS! Adults and other children didn't look at us in our sparkle leotards and thing, "Yum. I'd like to tap that!" They thought we looked cute pouncing around and shaking it. We were dancing and having fun. Not warping each others minds with early sex images. This whole post is bullshit. 

  • jenessa1889@xanga

    @Kendall@lovelyish - there's a difference between a little kid choosing to run around outside in disney underwear and a mom or dance teacher putting a little kid in garters and telling them to spread their legs on a stage.

    There's nothing inherently sexual about lion king underwear.   There is something inherently sexual about thigh high stockings with garters on them.

  • jenessa1889@xanga

    @x_SwIm4ShArKs_x@xanga - totally agreed.   I watched an episode of that show with my mom and we were horrified!   As the one mother said to the dance teacher "There were 40 year old men rubber necking to look at them in the lobby"

  • PervyPenguin@xanga

    I want to rule the world. For the sole purpose of making it illegal to reproduce unless you've got a high score in an IQ test as sanctioned by your great leader (me).

  • Prolixity_Split@xanga

    @PervyPenguin@xanga - You're incorrectly assuming that highly intelligent people cannot be crappy parents. 

  • PervyPenguin@xanga

    @Prolixity_Split@xanga - Then in that case, I'll just have to make a human farm and no one will be allowed to reproduce.

  • how2saveaplanet@xanga

    This doesn't sexualize young girls, it desexualizes stripper lingerie, and that is incredibly wrong.

  • Kendall@lovelyish

    @jenessa1889@xanga - There is nothing, and I repeat nothing sexy about a child. Whether they be naked, sequined, gartered, and shimmying around. The issue is adults over sexing the world. If you see a child in a leotard dancing around as sexy, then that's your deep set mental disturbances, not the child being over sexed. This is the same issue that was addressed when some mom was horrified that babies on the beach were naked. Children are not sexy, no matter what they are or aren't wearing. Adult perceptions are perverting childhood for us all.

  • janusfiles@xanga

    As at least one commenter has already said, that photo is a little disturbing.  As I was looking at it, I had a flashback to JonBenet Ramsey.

  • jenessa1889@xanga
  • jenessa1889@xanga

    @Kendall@lovelyish - i agree that there's nothing sexy about a child, but there are actions/outfits which are sexual and therefore should not be done/worn by a child

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