Saturday, 19 February 2011

  • Embarking on the Homeschool Journey: Advice and Feedback Needed

    This fall I will be embarking on an entirely new adventure.  A journey really, since it will last for more than a decade. 

    I've decided to homeschool my eldest child who will be turning five this May. 

    There were a myriad of reasons behind this decision.  Some of them personal and based on my own past experiences with public school, some of them religious and then some of them based on the fact that Texas (we moved to the DFW area of TX in Aug 2009) seems to score below the national averages in every subject in standardized testing.  At least that is what I found on a few websites a month or two ago. 

    I was quite surprised.  I also admit that I have absolutely no clue how Texas rates compared to other states or how many other states also perform below the national averages in every subject.

    I have online friends and real life friends who are teachers.  All of my online teacher friends seem to be against homeschooling.  It's disheartening but I still feel like I'm making the right decision.  Although I admit I'm quite nervous.  It's an undertaking that I take quite seriously.  I've been practicing you could say - doing home preschool.  I really need to get myself more motivated to be more consistent with it.  I think I need to see it as more of "the real thing" and less of "practice" to get myself to be better about it.  I've always been a procrastinator (my kids are currently one hour past their bedtime) but I know that this is important and so I do expect that I will do better when it comes to Kindergarten on up.  In fact, I could even blog about it to keep myself accountable. 

    I'd like to know if you homeschool, why you chose it?  How long have you been homeschooling & what advice/suggestions could you give based on your experiences?  Any curriculum you liked (and why) or even disliked (and why)?  How many children do you homeschool and what ages are they? 

    If you have any other helpful input please share!

Comments (56)

  • MangoWOW@xanga

    I don't really have advice though I do have an opinion. I don't see an issue with homeschooling as long as the child meets some sort of minimum learning requirment every semester. This is a personal experience but when I was in 10th grade I was assigned to be a math tutor for 9th graders in algebra. There was one girl that had been home schooled her whole life and it was her first year going to public school.


    This girl was absolutely lost.


    If you think about it Algebra is pretty simple. The only difficult part it memorizing the steps to solving a problem but everything is pretty straight foward.


    This girl, at almost 15 years old, had never learned how to multiply. I remember going through the steps and I kept repeating "Ok so at this part you have to multiply 6 times 3" and she just kept saying, "I don't know." And thats when she admitted that she never learned past addition and subtraction. Basically her mom just let her coast past and never actually taught her anything.


    From records it shows that home schooling generally works. Kids score higher and do better overall, most likely because they get a personal teacher that works with them instead of having to mold to an entire classroom.


    My only advice is don't slack, though you seem well enough to not do so. I get good vibes from your post.

  • OsuwarInuyasha@xanga

    I was home schooled for awhile. I learned things, but I also had learning problems. My mom also didn't want me in public school because she was afraid I'd get made fun of (I was in private school before that and was made fun of as well as when she put me back in private school after she couldn't deal with me anymore with home schooling). I would say to make sure its fun and that you get out and take your child on field trips. We did that and it was fun (my mom was in a home school group).

  • LadyGwenivere@xanga

    I planned on home schooling. BUT my son changed my mind. I am not sending him to school until he is 5 though. Anything he could learn in JK I can teach him at home. For me though I have a lot of concerns about him being in school. In the next year we could change our minds again and go back to the original plan of home schooling.
    My brother was home schooled. (Ok let me clarify brother. I have known him for 17 years and he has become a close part of the family, so I consider him my bro). He was taught to think for himself, and became a very skilled independent learner. He went to a public high school and graduated a year early, then fast tracked University.
    So while there is a bad side to home schooling, I would absolutely home school over sending my child out. I want to have control over what my child is learning and I do not agree with most of the curriculum that are being used today. I already have 2 Hooked on Phonics sets (1 normal and one is Bible based) and a full curriculum (K - grade 12) on order.

  • hsmommax4@xanga

    I have homeschooled for the last 6 years all 4 of my kids. the oldest two did spend some time in public school because of life changes but when things settled down again the youngest of the two begged to come back home the oldest wanted to be in public but i made the decision to bring him home because he has a bit of a concentration problem in larger settings that i could work with him on.

    We're in a homeschool group that meets weekly for park days and does field trips. It's a great place for not only the kids to make friends but for the moms to make friends as well! when I went through my divorce earlier this year they were there for me all the way.

    my last piece of advice is just stick with it. You'll find things you like and things you don't like. Lots of tweaking in the first year. You'll find people that support you and those that don't. don't waste your energy explaining why on those that don't because the best way you can show them this was the right choice for you and your family is by example. I have had many friends say to me. You know I was tottaly against home schooling until I met your family. Your kids are just awesome.

    Good luck and HAVE FUN!!!! It's a great way to bond with your child!

  • LupusInvictus@xanga

    I personally don't plan to home school. Regarding those statistics, you might find that there are a few really bad schools pulling the average down.

    However, my nieces are home schooled. I can definitely tell that the oldest is above her grade level. It seems like it is nice for them to be able to take days off when they want to take a trip to grandma's and they seem to go to lots of art, theater, and public events.

    I am sure you have been told this before, but really take to heart the social aspects of home school. Schools in America are as much about learning how to be social as they are about traditional academics. Think about how many people you interact with on a weekly basis, especially if you are working. It is critical to help your kids learn those skills - and think about how important your husband and friends are to you - it is even more important that your kids have the ability to make friends and learn how to cope with rejection and conflict. I would suggest meeting with groups more than once a week and getting your kids involved in a sport or club year-round. Also, maybe day camps and overnight camps in the summer would be a good idea?

  • Thoughts_of_Motherhood@xanga



    @MangoWOW@xanga - Thank
    you so very much for the compliment.  I appreciate it.  I definitely
    feel strongly about giving my children the best and if I feel at all
    that I've failed or slacked off, I will definitely bite the bullet and
    put him in public school.  Though I plan to do my best.  Which is why I
    definitely plan to buy a curriculum where the teacher part is all
    planned out for me - this way I know that professionals put it together
    and it is every bit as good as the stuff in public. 

    @OsuwarInuyasha@xanga - I'm
    very sorry to hear that kids were so cruel for something that wasn't
    your fault and couldn't be changed.  I don't have any disabilities, but I
    do know that I was teased a lot in school myself & I was generally
    unhappy there.  I only had a few friends.

    @LadyGwenivere@xanga - Sounds like you would do a great job with homeschooling if you decided to go for it.   

    @hsmommax4@xanga - I've
    heard that the first year is a lot of tweaking.  I'm really
    investigating the curriculum choices out there and examining which would
    suit my son's learning style (hands on) best and would be laid out for
    me to know how to teach it.  I'm excited about the possibilities of all
    the field trips we could take too.  I'm hoping that this is where living
    near Ft. Worth and an hour away from Dallas will come in handy - hope
    there are lots of educational field trips that I can work into the
    schedule in the coming years.

    @LupusInvictus@xanga - While
    I had negative social experiences in school (and I understand that my
    children may not necessarily go through that themselves) I do understand
    how important socialization is for children.  We've not found a church
    yet (which would help to find friends) and we've not gone out looking
    for friends yet.  I DO plan to find a homeschool group that would fit
    our family though in an effort to have playdates, meetups, etc.  And I
    already want to get James involved in sports, I am sure he would love
    that.  He's been in swimming lessons once, but that's not quite the
    same. 

    Thank you for your feedback ladies. 
    I also look
    forward to hearing from more people as well.  I'm hoping someone can
    throw out some names of some good curriculum programs and why they like
    them.  Or if you have a warning about any curriculum (give names for
    good and bad) and why you'd stay away. 




  • PrincessPatriotII@xanga

    My mom homeschooled me and all of my siblings. She made us take the CAT (California Achievement Test) every year to make sure we were up to grade and to see what areas we needed extra study in.  My older brother and sisters and I have all been to college. My brother is a physician assistant, my sister is a teacher, I’m a paralegal and my younger brother is going to electrician school.  So yes, I think it works as long as you make sure to keep the learning up to and above state standards.


    My mom used Accelerated Christian Education  aceministries.com,  A Beka abeka.com and Saxon and Excel for mathematics.   Although these are mostly Christian publications so I’m not sure how you would feel about that. 

  • TheBoxofDreams@xanga

    I was home schooled for 1st--5th and 7th grade. It was fantastic at first! But by the time I hit middle school I was so lonely and really wanted friends my own age. There was no big active home school group near enough to us for me to get that. My brother on the other hand could have gone through high school home schooled and would have been perfectly happy--it's different for each kid. I got a fantastic education but it didn't hurt that my mom has her college degree in elementary education. We had our own school room with lots of posters and a white board and my mom took us on lots of fun field trips and had such great and unique learning techniques for us. When I finally went off to "regular school" I was well ahead of the rest of my class in almost every subject (I have a learning disability in math). I think there are plenty of wonderful things about home schooling but...

    My husband was also "home schooled"--at least that is what his mother likes to tell everyone. He says that he didn't see the inside of a textbook until they shipped him off to boarding school. Once there he was smart enough that he managed to pick right up on almost everything and scored very high on the ACTs. But his sister was another story. She also was shipped off to boarding school and is 20 years old and a struggling senior. She is tutored in every subject and still may not graduate. Before they sent her to school I tried to help her, but even at 17 years old she could only read at about the level of a 2nd or 3rd grader! My in laws wouldn't send their kids to public school (the only option in their tiny town) because it was "evil" but yet did a worse disservice to their children because they never followed through on actually educating their kids. (I only shared my husband's story to show how home schooling can go wrong--I am not in ANY way saying that you would not educate your children!)

    I am a huge believer in the benefits of home schooling, as I had a great experience with it. But I have met more people than just my husband and sister in law that were home-schoolers in name only. I think that with extreme dedication and a great home school (or church!) group, that home schooling can be a wonderful, successful experience for both children and parents alike! Best of luck to you! I'm sure you will do great :)

    Oh and curriculum--we used Bob Jones, A Beka, and Saxon (for math only) among other things.

  • LupusInvictus@xanga

    @Thoughts_of_Motherhood@xanga - try meetup.com - it is an organizational site that a lot of groups use to plan outings, playdates, and share information. I was able to find a mom's group in my area with it and have have a good experience!

  • CBU2005grad@xanga

    As a formerly homeschooled child...the socialization aspect is KEY. You cannot wait to start looking for a church or homeschool group. Do it now.


    I pray that your child never knows how lonely being a homeschooled child is. But statistically she/he will. You can do somethings that will avoid that feeling of not having any friends or anyone to talk to...


    My relationship with my mom is great now, but it wasnt always that way. I had one brother and one sister...whenever we would have an argument she would get right in the middle of it right away and we never got to work through the argument oin our own...my mom did this until we were about college aged....


    I see that you have good intentions with understanding that you must socialize your children, but it doesn't just happen. You have to be intentional about searching out places to socialize...


    and know that if somewhere doesn't work move on and try something new, it will be exhausting for you but you cannot place any blame on the kids.


    _________


    Also I want you to know that I am a school teacher...and generally for one week of teaching I PLAN for about 3-4 hours. You need to make sure that you find the time to plan and not just teach off the fly.


    I'm sure you will do great!

  • CBU2005grad@xanga

    @TheBoxofDreams@xanga - I agree Bob Jones, ABeka, and Saxon are great curriculum.

  • RaxterRiley@xanga

    My oldest is only 2 1/2 but we have seriously considered homeschooling. My husband was homeschooled until he was a sophomore in high school and he had so many cool experiences and (just to get rid of the stereotype) isn't socially awkward at all. There are SOME kids who are very socially awkward but if your kids are involved with other children often that wouldn't be an issue. I don't really have any advice but I would love to hear your experience with it! I'm adding you as a friend if that's okay. Good luck! :)

  • snarkius@xanga

    I've been public, private, and home-educated as well as knowing a myriad of people who have also been homeschooled.  Christian colleges tend to have them in droves.  


    All school systems produce good and bad students as well as socially-awkward vs. socially-awesome students.  I have known people that should never have been homeschooled and others that would have benefited because public school kept them back.  It really does depend on the individual situation.


    As for me personally, I loved homeschooling best because it was easiest since I am ridiculously booksmart, but I know for a fact I did better in my second public school (my first public school being god-awful horrible) just because I do better with rigid routines and would have benefited academically as well as being forced to learn in other ways besides books. 

  • Thoughts_of_Motherhood@xanga

    @PrincessPatriotII@xanga - I'm also Christian so I'm actually looking FOR Christian curriculum.  Thank you!  I think I'm definitely seeing a trend with Saxon being a highly recommended math curriculum choice.  I'm going to be looking into that. 

    @CBU2005grad@xanga - Yep, I've planned curriculum for about half or more of the two years I worked in preschool.  So I got experience there (plus got my CDA - Child Development Associate certificate) and have been planning a curriculum for my son with resource books in Science, Math, English & one for the Alphabet with great ideas for teaching each letter all from a teacher store.  With Kinder on up I don't plan to make my own curriculum because beyond preschool I'm not really qualified.  I'll be buying a curriculum to teach my son with so that I know it's quality.  Which is why it is great some of these ladies are giving me names for curriculum they like. 

    @RaxterRiley@xanga - That would be great, thank you!

    @TheBoxofDreams@xanga - I definitely do not feel public school is "evil."  I DO want to give my children a Christian education (though we can't afford a private Christian school).  Not to mention, I've just heard some great things about homeschooling and how, if it is done right, then some children end up ahead of their peers even if they aren't gifted.  That is wonderful - I don't feel the public school system (speaking in generalities - thinking of my K-12 public school I graduated from) does enough to prepare students for college.  So I'm hoping that if my kids can get ahead of the curve, then by the time they enter college they should be able to keep up and the transition shouldn't be too hard.  These are my goals. 

  • OsuwarInuyasha@xanga

    @Thoughts_of_Motherhood@xanga - Yeah I had a bad case of ADD lol
    I don't think being really shy helped me while I was homeschooled either. So when I ended up in private school again... I was really shy and had a lot of issues (went to counseling and such.. had depression). I guess my mom couldn't take being around me anymore... and her being afraid of me being made fun of... over ruled that. We butted heads a lot... but I'm sure some of that had to do with me being a teenager. I really did not want to go into private school. All of my friends were still homeschooled... so I didn't get to see them as much.

  • SleepyLaura@xanga

    As someone who is set to graduate with certification in secondary education, to get a job preferably in the DFW area, I obviously don't love the idea of home schooling, but there's no reason to bash someone's preference on the matter. 


    There are several groups in the area, I'm afraid I don't know any details - just what I've heard through word of mouth, that have parents work together and teach specific classes. Like, if one parent used to be an accountant, he or she teaches math, where as the parent with an English degree teaches English Lit, etc. I don't know any of the details, but I know they're around Dallas and should be fairly accessible. 
    Also, the standardized tests that you cited are being replaced. By next year students will start to take end of year test, instead of TAKS. They're designed to make sure each class is teaching what the students are supposed to be learning, instead of just teaching how to take a test. 
    Don't blame the teachers, we don't have much to work with at the moment! This is what happens when non-educators are elected to the Board of Education (a dentist? Really?).
  • RainDropPixie@xanga

    @LupusInvictus@xanga - I have to disagree, in all the schools (7 total) I went to you weren't allowed to socialize with the exception of a 30 minute recess...and the maybe once monthly group projects. 

  • LupusInvictus@xanga

    @RainDropPixie@xanga - No school dances? Sports? After school clubs? Lunch? Snack break? Play time in kindergarten? Maybe you just went to strict schools, but most schools incorporate some of these things into their day.

  • Endrath@xanga

    My mother (She has an Ed.D.) decided to homeschool my youngest sister through high school.  That is her fifth child, the other four of us having been through the public school system, in Texas.  I can give you some more information (or her e-mail, she loves to share advice and knowledge) in a PM if you are interested.

    My observations have been that the best thing you can do is to make sure to have a consistent schedule.  I don't think you need to worry so much about "50 minutes today for math", but I do think you should go "We'll be in school from 9-12, take an hour break for lunch, then go to piano lessons from 1-1:30, dance lessons from 2:00-2:30, and then we'll be back home by 3 for an hour of reading or writing."  The unsuccessful homeschoolers are, I think, the ones who let their schedule flex in the "Oh I really need to go buy groceries this morning, so we won't do homeschool... but we'll do more tomorrow!"

    EDIT : Comments on Curriculum --

    For math, look at Kumon.  It has the rote memorization and repetition that is missing from elementary math classes these days, and a "Do the worksheet, then correct the missed questions" approach that gets very good results.

    There doesn't exist an English curriculum that I would personally endorse, as an all-encompassing plan.  The best thing you can do is rainbow across a number of curricula, mixing and matching for the skills you want to target.  Obviously at your current ages, Reading practice and fluency will be your first priorities, but as your children age, start them on daily writing as much as possible... one of the largest weaknesses in most curricula is a lack of focus on writing.

    Science is a difficult one for the littlest kids, you might check around at local museums/colleges to see if they have programs (they often do!) for your specific age groups.  I'm not too familiar with this area... the books I like tend to be Pearson books (like Campbell biology), but those are all for older kids, I'm not sure what they have for younger ones.

    For all subjects, you can just check out the C-Scope checklists as to what your child should be studying at that grade level, and then pick and choose your lessons as you can (though this does involve a massive amount of work for your first child).  Here's the link http://www.cscope.us/... you can contact your local ESC for access information.  If you're in Fort Worth, you're probably in Region 11 (http://www.esc11.net/site/default.aspx?PageID=1).

  • prozacandjosh@xanga

    Home schooled kids always end up socially retarded. Public schools will teach your kid a lot more about getting along in the real world.

    I've met a lot of home schooled kids and none of them have seemed normal.Although, if you want your kid to dress weird, smell weird, and be weird, home schooling is the way to go.
  • Pickwick12@xanga

    My mother homeschooled me through high school. I dual-enrolled in community college during high school with no problems (far from it--I got straight A's), and I went on to graduate summa cum laude with a 4.0 average from university last year.

    My sister was also homeschooled through high school and graduated from university with honors and is now finishing her master's degree.

    I can't encourage you enough in your choice.

    Some tips:

    1) As someone above said, set a schedule. You don't have to be utterly rigid, but it will keep you and your child organized if you generally do the same things at the same time each day.

    2) Take advantage of opportunities. As a homeschooler, you can go on exciting adventures and take field trips that larger classes can't. Feel free to explore nature, go to museums, do historical experiences in your area, and let your child explore some individual interests.

    3) Document, document, document. Write down what you do, even if it's in a general way. Save some of your child's more notable work. Even if you never need the paperwork for a larger purpose, you'll be glad to be able to track your progress.

    4) Consider enrolling your daughter in a school class or organized sport occasionally. Every year I was homeschooled, I was in at least one class with other children. (Some private schools will allow this for a fee.) This kept me able to learn in a classroom setting (important for later life), and helped keep me socialized. You can also collaborate and get involved in co-ops with other homeschoolers in your area.

    5) Have your child tested regularly. You don't have to use a standardized test (though it's a good idea), but having a certified teacher perform an evaluation each year is very helpful. That will enable you to see where you are in each subject area and to find out where you may need to improve or where your child may be gifted and can be challenged more.

    6) Curricula we liked: A Becka (pro: academically rigorous, con: doesn't encourage critical thinking, Bob Jones (pro: more creative, con: easier), Saxon Math (pro: very thorough and adaptable to child's individual level, con: very repetitive), KONOS (unit studies--pro: encourages fun and creativity, con: non-traditional and should only be used as a supplement to more traditional study) Curricula we disliked: PACES (pro: child-directed, con: very easy and extremely lacking in thoroughness)

    7) Don't be afraid. Starting homeschooling has a learning curve, but you will be surprised how quickly you will know the ropes and begin to feel confident in what you're doing. You'll enjoy seeing your child excel in many ways.

    8) Find a mentor. Search out a mom or dad who has homeschooling experience and a similar outlook to yours. Many experienced homeschoolers greatly enjoy helping other families.

    9) Have fun! Homeschooling is a wonderful way to help your child reach the apex of their potential academically and creatively. You can experience wonderful things together as you discover new interests and areas of learning, and you can tailor your curriculum to your child's needs. Keep researching; don't be afraid to start something, stop it, and do something else. You will have difficult days when you feel like you are slogging endlessly, but when you have them, remember the days when learning together seems like the coolest thing on the planet. Believe me, you'll have plenty of those :)

  • shadesofanna@xanga

    i was never homeschooled but im not completely against it.  as long as you expose your children to other children (i.e afterschool activies) because regardless of how much parents love their children and how much parents want to protect their children from harm, kids should still experience things on their own so to speak.  its part of growing up.

  • Dynamite_Ignorance@xanga

         Just my opinion, from my own personal experiences with homeschooling.
         I am currently a Junior in high school; this is only my second year at a public school. Sophomore year was my first. Before then, I had been homeschooled all my life by my mother.
         Due to tragic circumstances, concerning my mom, I was forced to enter public school for my Sophomore year. At first, I was unhappy about it, feeling very unprepared, but after the first couple months, I had no regrets and was happy about being able to get the full school experience.
         Being homeschooled is lonely, even if you're involved with after-school activities around peers. It's just not the same as going to school and seeing them every day. There, they can form groups and bonds that are strong and grow in strength from being around each other all the time. You're an outsider if you're homeschooled; you just don't quite fit in. You're unable to keep up with the newest news going around the school, share in their excitement about things you might not understand, and you never can form the same bonds as those who go to school together can. It's how I lost the person I once thought my best friend.
         I learned so much more being able to attend school. The lessons taught me more and I was given opportunities that I previously had been missing out on. I was able to start forming those stronger bonds of friendship with people, for I didn't have to wonder anymore when the next time I saw them would be and what would happen between now and then. It was wonderful. I was, of course, a little lost at first, but it wasn't long before that was no more. I started to fit in. I can honestly say that I would never go back to being homeschooled, for anything. There are just some things that you can't be taught at home, lessons that a teacher can give in class with a group, which a parent or mentor cannot. Also, I believe that being able to interact with your peers, in the school environment, can help prepare you for the world once you're graduated and for college.
         To sum it all up: I would not recommend homeschooling unless it was the only choice left. Otherwise, I believe it to be better to grow up in a public school system (or even private, I guess) than to be homeschooled.
         But that's just my thoughts. Anyone is welcome to agree or disagree, I just wanted to voice my opinion from my own experiences.

  • Pickwick12@xanga

    @Dynamite_Ignorance@xanga - That's interesting. I was homeschooled most of my school years, but went to school for a couple of years and hated it and never wanted to do it again. I loved homeschooling, was very involved with other kids, and went on to college with no problems. I'm 26 now and wouldn't have traded homeschooling for anything in the world. I think it's better for some people than others :)

  • chameleonkisses@xanga

    I was homeschooled from K-5th grade (for the same reasons as you want to) meaning I was put into public school in 6th grade. My mom didn't like the public schools in the area that we lived in in California (poor education), so I was homeschooled. I moved to NC in the 5th grade and started 6th grade at a public school. I wouldn't have had it any other way. Honestly, I personally think it should not go past elementary school. Middle school, I feel, is crucial for growing socially. I cannot tell you how many people who use to be homeschooled and entered middle/high school too late and ended up have a very serious lack of "normal" communication skills, etc. Now, I'm not saying this happens to everyone. But it's very common from what I have seen.


    I suggest that in your time of homeschooling, really develop a friendship (and be a parent) with your kid. The connection that I have with my mother is incredible for this. And then I would say to let your kid continue public school in the 6th grade. It toughened me up to the "real world". Because of homeschooling, I feel I am "ahead of my years". I feel like I passed that immature phase but have also locked inside of me a heart of a child. Oh, and homeschooling done right is great for growth in knowledge. It's one on one work. :)


    Hope this was helpful!

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