Tuesday, 13 July 2010
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Am I On the Right Track? Dealing With the Terrible Twos!
My cell phone has been broken for a week now. No one has been able to get a hold of me. It hasn't bothered me so much, this flying off the radar. But with the no phone comes the "pop over visit". I don't usually mind those. I didn't mind the last I received, honestly. A good friend stopped by because we haven't been able to talk in a few weeks and she caught me having a pretty bad day.It's two in the afternoon. There's crumbs all over the floor from poptarts and a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. There's milk spilled on the coffee table. There's a banana on a plate on his little table, almost gone. (Yay! He ate it!) There are toys EVERYWHERE. He dumped his living room toy box out and proceeded to push it across the hardwood floors, leaving a clear path between all of his toys but scattering them all over the room.
We had been to the library earlier in the morning, where before we even walked inside, he informed me that I had to "Listen to him" or he was going to "Pank me." And then he 'panked my leg.
What in the heck am I supposed to do when my two year old spanks me in public??? Because I gotta tell you, it's not like I'm tanning his hide at home. Or in public. I fight with myself daily over the whole spanking issue because deep down I don't think it's right. He gets threatened with it and it's obviously loosing it's meaning. I'm at a crossroads here. I either start spanking his butt when he's bad (which is what his dad says to do. And my parents. But not his parents.). Or I can start enforcing time out, hardcore. That seems like a better option, at least to start. I'd rather work my way up to spanking. We've done pretty well up until now.
I don't like misbehaved children. At all. I understand that a two year old is absolutely unpredictable and that there's real no guarantee that they'll be good 100% of the time. But I do like knowing, at least up until now, that taking Layne just about anywhere isn't a big deal. He'll listen. He'll behave. He'll have fun. Because he knows what's expected of him and what's okay and what's not. He slips up, but so far, a stern HEY usually puts him back on track.
I just see us on the brink of a power struggle. The fits are coming more often. The NO SIRS (he calls everyone sir right now. It's kind of funny.) are frequent responses. If he doesn't get his way he's full of attitude and he'll try to smack you. That kills me, too. All I want to do is pop him back! But hitting doesn't teach that hitting is wrong. So I grab his hands and tell him that hitting is not nice and that I won't allow it. Then I bark at him, DO YOU UNDERSTAND? To which he must reply, Yes mama.
And then I feel guilty! Like I'm the biggest jerk in the world! Ugh!
Why does my two year old make me feel bipolar?
Anyway, back to my friend. Sorry about the tangent. She comes over. He's still awake, should be napping. I'm frazzled. And incredibly ready for this little guy to take a nap so I can not think about him for an hour and a half. So far, he's not having it. She comes in and the first things she says is, my my, are you having a bad day?
I just laugh. Yep. We're not having the best of days here at our house.
See, I'm usually pretty on top of stuff. House is clean. Kid is happy. We're on a schedule. Stuff is good. This week hasn't been a good one for us. But that's okay. Bad weeks happen, right?
We sit on the couch and try to talk like adults, but it's just interrupted every five seconds with a question or a response or a reprimand or a request. About fifteen minutes into it Layne's throwing icing at my friend's hair and I've decided that this is just stupid. I plop him in his bed, tell him I love him and that it's nap time. STAY IN BED.
UGH.
He didn't take a nap that day. But I visited with my friend while he played in his room with his toys, quietly. And when she left, we were both better for it. I think he needed a break from me just as much as I needed one from him. And I'm going to file this away for future reference. When the Dude is obnoxious as sin, stick him in his room and let him annoy himself. :)
Do you other moms have any other ways of dealing with these kinds of situations? I've never been through the "terrible twos" before, so I don't really know how to handle what he's doing. Am I on the right track, at least? I'm a mom in need of some guidance that isn't family given.
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Sometimes? When it feels like things are really going to come unraveled? It's best just to turn an episode of 'Dora the Explorer' on and just take a few minutes. (Not completely unlike the bedroom idea, but without the knocking at that door that Megan does. LOL)
My daughter is 2. The girl sure can be irritating. She's more irritating around nap time. I end up just sticking her in her room and telling her to stay there. I have to do it about 20 times, but eventually she gives up and just goes to sleep.
just wait, three is worse.
But I hear you on the hitting. I HATE when my near three year old hits, and its only me he does it to. All I do it grab his hand before he connect, say "hands are NOT for hitting", spin him around and send him the other way. In public, I grab his hand before he connects, again say "hands are not for hitting" and leave it at that. If he screams or pitches a fit, the day out is over and we stay home until he starts to mind again. I refuse to tolerate being hit by a toddler.
I am now dealing with this spitting or "blowing raspberries" (sticking the tongue out and spitting). Again, only at me. How do I resolve this? He has 3 big toys that his world would end if he lost, if he spits or hits, he loses one, the two, then the last one. And they can be gone for several days at a time. It is MUCH more effective for him then a time out.
honestly...there's nothing wrong with spanking.
My best friend's grandparents REFUSE to discipline her daughter. She will pop Audrey, but her grandparents wont--Audrey has been known to act out in class, from biting to pinching to hitting.
My parents raised me actually giving me SPANKINGS--beating my butt. I never once got in trouble for hitting, biting, pinching, etc.
I think it depends on the environment and the personality of the kid....but I really don't see why spanking is a big deal. It's not like you're making them bleed or leaving bruises--if you are, you're not disciplining, you're abusing. Different things work for different kids....some kids could care less if you take their toys; they'll find another way to amuse themselves. Other kids would think the world had ended if you did so. Some kids deal with time outs and plot new ways to get what they want....other kids feel sad, lonely, and depressed at being "shunned" from the group activity or whatever they were doing. So yeah, it's your call--I just don't see a MORAL issue with spanking.
i have tried time outs... to no avail... spanking too, with aidan spanking only taught him that hitting when you are mad is ok. [some kids take it deferentially] now we have moved on to a calmer approach... i take his toys away when he is acting badly. it doesnt even have to be one he plays with... he freaks out and realizes that i mean business. but it is different with all kids... you just have to experiment and see what works for your family.
we live in a small town home and there is really no good spot for time out.. no patter where we put him he can always find something to play with or do.... so that didnt teach him anything... and like i said, spankings just taught him to hit when he is mad... when he is being really out of control i send him to his room and tell him he can come back down when he is feeling better and can act like a big boy.
hope you can find something that works for your family!
I have a cool down spot. Of course, my daughter is only less than two weeks away from being two, but she's still super close. So, if she's throwing a tantrum over who knows what, I take her to the cool down spot. I don't feel like I can safely leave her alone in any room, yet, but hopefully that will change soon.
I think the way you handled it was good.
I've done spanking and I've done time outs. If I threaten her with a spanking, she 90% of the time stops what she's doing. If I threaten with a time out... maybe 40% of the time she stops. She's usually ending up in time outs vs. being spanked.
We have taught my 2 year old nephew the idea of hugs, not hits. When he hits, we tell him hugs not hits, and he gives a hug, and we explain that hitting is not nice. I have noticed that he tends to hit less, and lately it is either when he is not getting enough attention or when we get him all excited and worked up and he needs a way to get the energy out. He has had a few time outs, but those are for when he acts out in a major way, like when he slammed another child on the head with his toy guitar.
Sometimes you just have to walk away, so they don't get the attention they want, and make sure that they are not going to harm themselves, stand just out of the room and keep on eye on them. Then they lose negative and positive attention, and although there will be tantrums, they will soon calm down.
Omg I'm not alone! I've been dying for a blog like this for some time. My daughter turned two in May and turned evil a few weeks ago. I feel insane and close to tears most of the times because I just don't know what to do in this situation. She's never been a bad child until here recently. Time outs don't work, looking her in her room is impossible, being consistent is hard and I like my hair in my head thank you, I don't wanna spank her out of anger, and she will NOT mind me. She's pushing my limits and this time she's winning. She also says she's gunna "pank me" when she doesn't get her way and glares at me. She's constantly in something...touching everything, climbing on everything, being way too hyper for her own good. I feel like I need a time out, to send her to her grandparents, and let me have time to breath and cry.
My daughter is almost 3 now and the terrible 2s are almost over.
I've got a short temper though, so she has a short leash. That's probably why her terrible 2s were so short. I'm not afraid to hit my kid. My parents spanked me and I turned out just fine. I'm sure she will too. Depends on the offense though. Somethings just get a reprimand, but she has earned a smack in the face several times. She kicked one of my friends in the face (on purpose) and gave her a pretty severe bloody nose. That earned her a smack for sure. That is absolutely not okay. Trying to stab me with a pair of scissors was another one that got a smack. That's only when she does something so bad that I completely lose my temper though.
I think I might be a bad mom. My daughter was awful for a while though. Along with my curly hair and facial structure she inheritted my bad temper, need for rebellion, and strong will. So she's a little firecracker who always wants to piss me off and she's stubborn like an ass. Oh, and sh got my violent streak, and my mischievious nature. Lately, she's picked up my swearing as well.
Usually this is what happens with us:
ANYTHING REALLY REALLY BAD: Smack.
ANYTHING KIND OF BAD: Spanking.
REFUSING TO FOLLOW ORDERS: I threaten her. For example, if I tell her to get in the car and she refuses, I tell her I'm leaving without her and get in the car and start the engine. Usually by this point she's been reduced to tears and is pounding on the door for me to let her in. Only had to do that a couple times though. She gets in everytime the first time I say now. :)
DISOBEYING ORDERS: I physically make her do it. She doesn't fight it anymore. For example, when she was younger she used to like throwing food on the floor and refusing to pick it up. I'd hold her down on the ground, take one hand in each of mine, and MAKE her pick up every single peice of it (usually it was like cheerios or something). So now, she knows it's easier and faster to just do it herself. Plus, if she does it willingly she knows where I keep the dust pan. Much easier.
Special things:
Not getting in shopping cart - wait outside the store until she does.
Screaming in car - pull over until she stops (the more she screams, the longer it takes)
Urinating/Deficating on the floor - make her sit on the toilet until the next time she has to go.
I would read the book Boundaries with Kids. It addresses being stern and disciplining so that your kids know you mean it without going crazy, feeling mean or out of control, or feeling like your kids are parenting you instead
There are SOOO many disciplinary options to explore, spanking isn't the only option. And each kid is extremly unique so what works great for one kid wont work for them. One thing to do that a lot of parent's skip, is TALKING to your child. If they are old enough to communicate ASK them why they did that, and DIG DEEP its hard to get good answers out of upset kids. Sometime you both need to calm down, then ask. If a kid is acting out of their own nature, they are probably upset about something. If they can talk, ASK THEM. I've nannied a LOT of kids over the years and here are a few of the things that have worked great for different kids. Time out, in various locations. One family has a corner the kids have to STAND looking at the corner, works GREAT. Another is time out, sitting on your bed, no toys or books, is GREAT if its close to nap time because they will nap out of boredom. Taking away beloved toys - for some kids this is AMAZING, for others they just don't care and move on to the next thing. If its a minor offense and the kid is just tired or upset, a quiet activity may be enough to chill them out. I used to ask, do you want to watch a movie, read a book, or color (all great quiet time activities, unless they get ramped up by movies, just gotta know the kid).
Giving a young kid LIMITED options, gives them the feeling of control, and independence, while you make sure they are doing what is best at the time. Toddlers love getting to make the decisions, thats why I like to pick 2-3 things, and let them pick, should we have a snack now, or watch disney? Should we go to the library or the park? Anytime you can change your day to give them some sort of choice, DO IT! Most kids LOVE IT!
I hope some of this will help in anyway! Even one less outburst from a two year old makes life a hell of a lot easier!
In all honestly, I'd spank my daughter if she was acting up or misbehaving and I don't see the wrong in that. You said that, "But hitting doesn't teach that hitting is wrong" and I agree but letting him do whatever he pleases, won't teach him to respect anyone when he gets older. Sometimes, you got to put your foot down and show him who's boss. I'm not saying, go ahead and beat him, but if he starts throwing a tantrum, tell him if he continues, he's going to get spanked and if he still acts up, well, grab him, face him down on the couch and give him a spank or two. Usually, they learn to know better and can associate bad behavior with a spanking and won't do it anymore unless they want a hand to the butt. My parents spanked me when I was a child and I think I turned out OK. It's called discipline and being the parent and not the friend and you shouldn't have to feel guilty for doing it. If you let your guilt get in the way, he'll get his way and it won't solve the problem at hand. I'm just fortunate that my daughter never really experienced the "terrible twos" and she'll be four this Saturday. My husband barely spanks her because one stern look and she knows to stop. I wish I had that way with her too ;).
I am not one to push books, but I have found one that has been very helpful in our house.
When I first got it I thought it would be for older children (4+ ish) but a lot of it can be applied to our near 3 year old too. As far as parenting books go (and i have 15+ of them) this one is by far the best book on the market.
Its called "Have a New Kid by Friday" by Dr Kevin Leman. Or check out "Making Children Mind Without Losing Yours". Leman gives GREAT no nonsense tactics that really truly work. I would encourage any parent (even if you have good kids now) to pick up and read this book.
I give a swat on the butt for the fairly severe stuff, and timeouts for the rest. I am a little disturbed by the woman who commented about smacking her kid in the face. Okay, I am a LOT disturbed by it.
We do quiet time (playtime along in his room) to cool off when we're starting to drive each other nuts. It can be like a reset button. I lay down for a few minutes and he plays alone and settles down from the overstimulation. Best of luck.
Constant threatening w/o any follow through gets old. The kid realizes there is no fire behind the threat, mommy is just talking. I'm sorry, my daughter will never get away with hitting me, esp. in public. I don't beat her, I actually prefer time out, but hitting is a zero tolerance action; She will get a spanking! I agree with other posters, 3 is worse than 2 to me. I believe in discipline because there is nothing worse than a mom whose kid is showing out in public, it just tells me what happens at home. Whatever technique you try, stick with it. Good luck.
I was at a parenting class once, and the instructor said, "It's okay to spank when two qualifications are met:
#1- you are in COMPLETE control of yourself. You haven't lost your temper and are acting out of a need to discipline and not out of anger.
#2-the child is being completely beligerent and no other method has worked. Spanking is your "last resort" and is used so rarely that the child knows you mean business."
For my son, loss of freedom works best. I put his nose to the wall and his hands at his side. If he moves his hands or turns his head away, then the timer starts over (one minute per year of age). I ask him to stop the behavior, then remind him, then start counting. Usually after one, he says, "Ok, Ok, fine" and obeys. He HATES having his nose to the wall. If his offense has to do with a toy, it is taken away. And I use soap on his tongue for offensive sounds, be it high-pitched peircing squeals or mean words. Only two or three times in the past year have I spanked him.
My daughter (2 1/2) has gotten in trouble for hitting so she's taken to clapping her hand really loudly directly in front of my face. Which she also gets in trouble for. sigh. Discipline is hard at this age - they are always testing you!
@B - I'm not too keen on smacking my son in the face. I'm thinking that's a method I'll ignore. I wish the person who stated it would do the same...
Yikes.
@ventimochamom@xanga - You are 100% right. I'm blowing hot air at him. Of course he doesn't think anything will come of it. Because it hasn't so far.
@smile4iluvya@xanga - I like those guidelines. Those seem to fit with how I feel about spanking.
All of these suggestions, face smacking not included, are really great and I appreciate all of your feedback. I've written down some of the book titles and searched them on our library's database. A few are there so I'll check them out. I have a small chair that I think will do well for time outs and we're going to start there. And see how it goes...
Why can't kids just come out done? ;)
@thedommediaries@xanga - She's only 3 and you've smacked her in the face? I don't mean to judge, but that seems way out of line.
I've dealt with ill behaved children (They've given me bloody noses, and hit me), and have never resulted to smacking them in the face.
And I've potty trained a child, and it wasn't easy. But never did I punish them for having an accident (Unless, it wasn't and accident. I know children can be brats, and purposely poop/pee on the floor) ... I rewarded them when they used the toilet. If all they get is negative attention, that's all they'll seek, is how I see it.
The only time I spank is when the child is doing something that could potentially hurt them. They learn to relate that thing to pain, which is the goal.
And, yeah I was spanked as a child, a lot. My mother wished she had learned other methods by the time I was ... idk, 8? Physical pain, I learned, is temporary... If I had lost something for a week for doing something wrong, that'd hit the spot a lot harder. My mother never learned that, though.
The key to raising a child is patience.
I hear many parents say "I'm not rearranging my life to suit my 2 year old's." ... Sorry, then you shouldn't be a parent. Parenting is about rearranging your life, and that means ... learning some patience, and NOT hitting your child out of anger.
as I read this, the two year old in our household is throwing a tantrum in the back of the house - because he wanted a cookie at 10pm instead of going to bed.
people stopped coming to my house about the time he started walking...from that point on its a disaster that is orchestrated by the ankle biter. My living room carpet used to be a nice beige berber - now its mostly hershey chocolate color in the designs of the curtain climbers latest wake up early and finger paint with the food project. My fish tank had to be taken down because he kept killing all the gold fish with things he threw in the tank. There is normally a teeny tiny penis running around the house because he refuses to wear underwear while potty training at home. the tv screen has been colored with crayons while i was at work today.
and I wonder why no one 'pops over' anymore. probably scared of the tiny nudist wanting to sit on their laps....
I don't have a kid, but I helped care for my half-brother from birth until age three, as well as my niece who is almost two. It was hard for me to help care for them because how I discipline is much different from how their parents would discipline them. For some reason, what always worked for me (which I learned from my mom), is if the child is being rude at home, just ignore them or give them a really mean, disgusted look. Whenever I'd do it to my brother, he'd get upset that I wasn't talking to him and he'd apologize and stop the bad behavior. He never mimicked me, thankfully, because then I wouldn't know what to do besides a good old time out.
Also, I don't see anything wrong with a little spank here and there. My dad smacked my bum with his belt a few times growing up, and I never behaved badly around him again. =x I remember one time I cursed at him for some reason and he smacked my butt with the belt. I said "Haha. I could barely feel that." I sure as hell felt the next one. Boy-oh-boy. And another good one was having our mouths washed with dish soap. That really sucked.
@thedommediaries@xanga YAAAAY!! I am so happy for your comment.
I grew up with that. My parents in no way abused us!! But they had 4 kids ages 6 & under, so things got insane sometimes, so of course there were spankings & getting smacked. Mom even pulled ears and hair! She did the whole "Come now, or I'll leave," thing. She did all of that.
Nowadays, people flip out if someone spanks their kid. there IS a difference between spanking and beating a child, and everyone needs to realize that.
Basically its about figuring out what works for your child. Whether its time out, spanking, soap in the mouth, being forced to clean up, or taking away toys, or any combination of things, you have to figure out what works for you.
Do not let your anger get out of control, either. And do what your child responds to and understands.
@Shl3333@xanga - they were flipping out moreso for the smacking the child in the face thing, not spanking. I think that is extremely disrespectful no matter who does it to who, I am not a parent but a light spank is way different then smacking a 3 year old across the face. I would be traumatized. Plus, they said that they do it out of anger, so that is not even about disciplining the child it is taking your anger out on something else because your frusterated... eek
you need to find out what your toddler hates most, and then enforce THAT as punishment (not cruel things of course!)... our son is a bit difficult in that area because he is defiant as his moma [
] what we have found, is 9 out of 10 he HATES being alone (i.e. time-outs in his room/crib).
We find it is first important to educate and teach before discipline. We tell him what he is doing is naughty, why it is bad and not to do it anymore... and if he does it again he will receive punishment. (and MAKE SURE you follow through with EXACTLY what you tell him he will receive - be consistent!) if we do this, we can therefore judge if what he is doing is an accidental because he does not know it is wrong OR if the offense is out of disobedience...
when he does something the second time we tell him what his punishment is and then deliver it. (as i said earlier, our son CAN get pretty bad sometimes and often time-outs dont work, even if they're 20min in his crib!... so if he comes out and does it again he then receives a different punishment whether that be no T.V. or no cookies, or no chocolate milk... or no friends over... or sometimes a spanking.) If he is just being a wild child... we usually find he is either sick, or needs a nap... and we place him in his crib for a nap time. now whether he sleeps or not is up to him, but we've left him in there "awake" by his own doing for up to 2hrs before and I think he has only stayed up twice when we've chosen to place him down for a nap.
it sounds to me that your toddler is looking for attention... and does not understand that you are the mommy and he is the child. (I am referring to him spanking you and telling YOU to be quiet). I think this is important to educate him on... making sure you tell him that you are the mommy and you are asking him to do certain things because you love him and you need to take care of him... or that you are trying to teach him something so he can learn and grown big and strong. tell him mommys are here to teach and big boys are here to learn from mommy and help mommy by doing what you ask. when he doesnt do what you ask, he is not learning or helping you...
i guess my advice for days like this, or sometimes weeks like this is to first educate and then discipline. and always be consistent with rewards and punishments! you know my husband and i have forgotten to follow through on some of our promises before and it definitely shows - our son notices! good promises or bad, its important to keep your word so they know you mean business.
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ok, so i have a funny story to tell:
last night we were in the car and I was having one of these moments! (i was actually frustrated with the hubbs, but our son wasnt too great of a mood either - so anyways) i turned to my son and i said: "if you cry anymore for no reason... no cookies, no chocolate milk (those things are rewards) no drive-in movie tonight, no birthdays and no christmas!" (yes... i said no birthdays and no christmas... haha)
our son looks at me with these big doe-eyes and says: "No burfdays????" he gets this REALLY sad pouty face and then says "SOWWWWWYY!!!!!" *sniff-sniff* "No burfdays!" *sniff-sniff* "SOWWWY MOMA!"
I almost died laughing and felt SO horrible! and I was like "You can have your birthday back!" and then he goes "TANK-OO!"
...lol (not one of my proudest moments, but very funny)
Two things to keep in mind - make sure you know the difference between a child being a child, and defiance. For the first, you can use inappropriate behavior as a teaching moment, no need to punish for an innocent but inappropriate behavior. Defiance, or deliberate disobedience does call for discipline - and young children need immediate feedback. When my son first started kicking and yelling when he got frustrated with his toys, we took him away from the scene of frustration (I'm sure HE thought it was punishment, though that wasn't our intent because it wasn't defiance, it was that he didn't know how to deal with frustration) and told him that when that happens, he needs to say, "Mommy, Daddy, help please." He's learned that and most of his frustration tantrums have disappeared.
Now, for disobedience - that second thing to keep in mind is never discipline in anger. You can be creative about the best punishment, but don't do it in anger. If you are going to spank, the best thing for both parent and child is to simply state, "You ran away when Mommy said come. You are going to get one spank for that." (Spank) "Now, when mommy says come, you need to come. Let's practice." Then, set them down, holding their hand, and say, "Come here." Bring them close, give them a big hug, tell them you love them, and it's over. Other times, a different approach is more effective - My son loves being outside, but if he steps onto the parking lot (rather than the grass) we go inside immediately - unless, of course, Mommy or Daddy tell him to and/or are holding his hand. I've even left ball games early for the same reason. (We live pretty much IN the parking lot of a restaurant, so I can't tolerate games like them running away from me, without it being literally dangerous)
The biggest thing for me is to remember that I am training them. My children are not a "finished" product, and each incident is an opportunity to teach. It is only a bad reflection on me if I fail to use those teaching opportunities - the fact that they exist is simply normal.