Thursday, 07 January 2010

  • Breastfeeding in Public- Really? We're Hashing This Out Again?

    So.....of course there is a post on momaroo about breastfeeding in public. Again. And of course everyone is up in arms about it. What kills me is how people keep complaining that they are "offended" and "don't want to see it" and "can't believe it's done in public."

    Explain to me how the recent cover of Rolling Stone featuring Lady Gaga :



     is totally okay, it's not offensive (I haven't seen a SINGLE Xanga post pointing out how offensive it is) no one looks twice at it.

    yet I shouldn't be allowed to do this:


    in public? (I can't count the number of times I've heard breastfeeding in public is offensive here on Xanga.)

    WHAT IS WRONG HERE? Lady Ga Ga is popular because she is a sexual object. So is Britney Spears, Madonna.....in our country, sex sells. And it's completely normal. You can go to the beach in a tiny, skimpy bikini and run around, yet I can't nurse my child? How in the world is that not hypocritical?

    Also, the comment was made by several Xangans that women should just use bottles, pump milk when they go out, feed the baby before leaving....etc.

    Some babies will not take bottles. My son will take a bottle from anyone but me. He knows that I will offer him the "real thing" so if I offer him a bottle, it's like World War 3. He arches his back, screams in protest, clamps his mouth shut...no matter how hungry he is. Some mothers do not WANT their babies to use bottles, in order to avoid nipple confusion. In fact, groups such as La Leche League discourage the use of bottles in order to support a better nursing relationship. I personally do not like to see my son using a bottle.

    From an article I read recently:

    "Babies need to be breastfed on demand, and mothers should not feel pressured to use bottles. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, babies do not need to have bottles or pacifiers, and even if a mother wants to use these, they are contraindicated until breastfeeding is well established. Early introduction of bottles or pacifiers can put the breastfeeding relationship at risk, as the baby can develop nipple or bottle confusion, often resulting in the baby not being able to correctly nurse. If this happens, the baby may wean, or have such serious difficulties that the mother may need to seek professional help. Would we want even one mother or baby to have an increased risk of illness just because someone doesn't want to see it? Also, using bottles takes away from the convenience of breastfeeding, as the breast it is always ready and available, at the perfect temperature, with no preparation needed. No breastfeeding mother should be told that she should have to use bottles, anymore than a bottle feeding mother should be told that she should be breastfeeding. Breastfeeding is an act of nurture, not something to be hidden. Mothers should be allowed to choose for themselves how they want to feed their baby, and our society should not discourage their choice, especially when it is one that benefits all of us. "

    Some women have trouble pumping. I did not have the ability to go out and buy a two-hundred dollar electric pump. I bought a hand pump and it is a nightmare to use. So, I just only do it if I know I'm going to be away from my son for more than a few hours. For me, pumping hurts. Plus, it's not easy. My mother just decided pumping was too much a hassle so we went everywhere with her while we were still nursing.

    I feed Andrew before we leave. But I live in the seventh largest city in the nation. Even though the grocery store is only about 7-8 miles away, it still takes 20-25 minutes to get there. Then about an hour to shop and then come home. And that's almost two hours if I'm ONLY going grocery shopping. I usually have several stops to make. My son is going to HAVE to be fed again at some point. I know I'm not the only mother faced with this dilemma. 

    Honestly....it's stupid.

    For those of you who are offended.....here are a few ideas:

    -Educate yourself. I'm not calling you ignorant. I'm just saying that it is possible that you have no clue what you are talking about. Read about how beneficial/NORMAL/nurturing breastfeeding is. You can start here. And then go here, here and here.

    -Look the other way. I personally do not like to see men without their shirts on. Unless you are my husband or Edward Cullen, I don't really want to see your chest. I would rather men wear shirts at a public pool or beach. Society says that it is perfectly acceptable for men to walk around without shirts on. I don't want to see it, so instead of making a big fuss about it....I look away. It's a pretty simple concept...all humans know how to turn their heads so they don't see something.

    -Realize the mother is not trying to cause a scene. At least, for myself, I am trying to draw as little attention to myself as humanly possible. All I want to do is feed my baby. I'm not trying to make a statement, I'm not trying to give the world a free show, I'm not trying to make anyone uncomfortable. But, ultimately, my son's comfort comes before anyone else's comfort. If he's hungry, he's getting fed, and if that makes someone else uncomfortable, they are just going to have to be uncomfortable. I would bet this is the view and belief held by the majority of mothers who are breastfeeding.

    -Realize there is nothing you can do about it. In America all states have laws that protect a woman's right to breastfeed in public, protect her from indecent exposure and nudity laws and some states have laws protecting her from being discriminated against or segregated. This site gives a GREAT over view of each state law. I do not know the laws overseas concerning breastfeeding, I would venture to say they are much more relaxed about this in other countries than we are.

    -Accept that it is the normal thing to do. While my husband was in Afghanistan, he saw many women breastfeeding their children in public. In AFGHANISTAN. You know, where women are covered from head to toe? If it's accepted in a place where women are routinely oppressed, tortured and viewed as property, why in the world is it not okay in the "land of the free"? Breastfeeding a child is a normal, acceptable way to nurture AND comfort a child. If it was not what we were designed to do, why would we do it?

    That's my PSA for the day.

    Do you find breastfeeding in public to be offensive?  If so do you find images from the media, like the Rolling Stone Cover above, offensive?

Comments (170)

  • der_lila_Stern@xanga

    Im so glad this was posted!  I think people dont always understand the way breastfeeding works.  You dont have to completely expose yourself - as you showed in the picture!


    Great post!
  • OhItWontBeForever@xanga

    I agree. It's horrible, and most definitely hypocritical. Well, I have nothing more to add. Good post. :]

  • TheCaffeinatedKnitter@xanga

    Totally agree with everything in this post. :)  

  • whitetrashpoet@xanga

    Yay! Glad they posted this! As you know, I completely agree 

  • imperfect_still@xanga

    Seriously??? Be a mother and realize you have new responsibilities. Life is not fucking convenient for you any more.

    Ughhh this disgusts me to no end. If a woman comes into a restaurant with a bikini on, I don't want to see her tits either. Please do not nurse your damn baby while I'm trying to eat in public. It's disgusting, and I don't want to see that.

    Breast feeding is wonderful for you kids, got it. Regardless, I don't want to see you do it in public. Look the other way my ass. If my chair is facing you it's damn hard to look the other way, or even if I'm running by you on a trail and you're sitting there with breastfeeding, I'm going to fucking see you. I can look the other way all I want but I'm still going to know you're there, even if you're completely covered, having your kid sucking on your tits. It's going to make my stomach churn and I shouldn't have to deal with that.

    Mothers have been breastfeed out of the public eye and pumping milk for emergencies for how long now? How many of those kids are seriously messed up because their mommies were in a grocery store and they had to wait 20 minutes til she could get to the car to feed them? I'm pretty sure they won't even remember it in 20 minutes. Grow up, it's not going to hurt your baby for it to feel hungry for a little while.

    Sorry for the vulgarity of this comment, it's just that it really bothers me why woman can't understand why I don't want to see something suck on their tits in public. My mother breastfeed me and my two brothers and never felt the need to do it in public, and she also was a very busy woman. There's no reason to, it's just people trying to skirt their responsibilities and make motherhood as easy as possible, which is not the fucking point.

  • Azruel@xanga

    Yay for getting featured.  I completely agree. I was 19 when I had my son and I was so ashamed to breast feed him.  Even if I was out and about.  I would rush home or just bring along formula.  For my next child I know better, and will stick to it longer and not let people tell m how "disgusting" I am for breast feeding my child.


  • Mylittleman827@xanga

    I breastfed my daughter for 9 months before she self weaned.  I had no problem feeding her around family and friends but I just couldn't bring myself to do it in public.  I planned my outings for around her feedings so I wouldn't have to worry about her getting hungry.  I also had a bottle of pumped milk available and in the diaper bag if she absolutely needed it.  I just could never get comfortable doing it around strangers.

    I admire the women that can breastfeed in public.  I just didn't feel comfortable doing it.

  • opster25
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  • TornadoChaser
     @imperfect_still@xanga   Be a mother and realize you have new responsibilities. Life is not fucking convenient for you any more.

    What responsibilities? To her child? I thought she was doing that by feeding her. 
    And no life isn't that convenient for a mother but does that mean we can't have any convenience when it comes along? Surprisingly, a mother's life doesn't revolve around you or other strangers. Interesting concept huh?

  • TheCaffeinatedKnitter@xanga

    @imperfect_still@xanga - A mother has one responsibility.  HER CHILD.  Not the "comfort" of strangers.  

  • XxFireXboltxX@xanga

    @imperfect_still@xanga - I suppose the world revolves around you and what you don't want to see or deal with?

    And for your information, a baby under the age of six months can NOT wait 20-25 minutes to eat. It can negatively effect them. Sorry, the needs and comfort of my child come before the supposed needs and comfort of a stranger. End of discussion.

  • soyeahthatswhathappened@xanga

    i'm so glad this got featured! congratulations. everyone needs to read this.


    @imperfect_still@xanga - maybe someone is disgusted by seeing YOU stuff YOUR face. are you going to stop eating in public now, or are you going to tell them to just look the other way? it's just a breast, it's not going to burn your retinas if you just so happen to see a tiny bit of it. most mothers are very discreet.


    and you have no business telling a woman who is trying to care for her child without causing a scene to "grow up" when you can't even handle catching a glance of a baby being fed. it won't kill you, i promise.

  • langelodimorte@xanga

    I personally don't agree with certain kinds of breast-feeding in public. If you're covered, then it's just like wearing a shirt. No one has to see anything, no one is subjected to anything. If you're uncovered, then you're subjecting people (and children) to things they don't necessarily want to see. Yes, breastfeeding is natural and I agree with breastfeeding; and as long as you're being somewhat considerate then it's not an issue with me. I only have issues with people who simply do not care about anyone else and have absolutely no thoughts of consideration when out in public. 


    However, I feel the same way about models, celebrities, etc. Not everyone wants to be subjected to naked flesh--of ANY kind. Just my two cents. 
  • AbsolutelyNormalChaos61308@xanga

    @imperfect_still@xanga - From the looks of your blog it doesn't look like you do much eating, and when you do, you bitch about it. So maybe my sitting at a table nursing my baby would help you with your weight loss goals :) I nurse my baby in public, and if it 'repulses' you so much when a woman is feeding her baby with her baby "totally covered" then that sounds like a personal problem to me. Sorry 'boutcha, doll.

  • AbsolutelyNormalChaos61308@xanga

    Wonderful post! :) I couldn't agree with you more <3

  • Wifeandmotherto3boys@xanga
    I never breast fed my kids but u do have a point about walking around half clothed or almost nude but having a problem with mothers breastfeeding. What would people do if the companys went out of business that made bottles and formula? This was a great post
  • SeeBeeWrite@xanga

    I'm gonna breastfeed my kid in public if the need should arise. It's my right and it's protected by law, so I will do it. If someone doesn't like it, then they can come over and say something. What are they going to do, yank my kid off and pull my shirt down?  The double standard regarding breastfeeding mothers and naked women on the covers of magazines is ridiculous.

    Don't tell me the same people who make such a big deal about public breastfeeding are really upset to see a magazine cover like this, or some chick on the highway flashing passing motorists.

    And it's not like boobs are nasty anyway. They're not like buttholes or genitals. The U.S. appears to be the only country in the world that sexualizes breasts to the point where they can't even be used for their intended purpose.

  • whitetrashpoet@xanga

    @imperfect_still@xanga - You know what grosses me out when I'm eating? Teenage girls dressed like hoes, people telling horribly inappropriate stories, smelly people, and unclean looking people - but guess what? When I eat in a PUBLIC establishment I do not have the ability to tell them to get out/go elsewhere. If you are in a public place you don't get to decide who is allowed there unless you own it. But guess what? My state, you can't tell a woman she can't breastfeed in your store/restaurant/whatever. Also, women are allowed to be topless in all public places in my city(city parks, etc.) for any reason, so why bash people just feeding their babies?

    I can't wait 20 minutes to eat when I'm hungry. I have a medical condition. Would you know that looking at me? Probably not. I don't know anything about anyone else's baby so I would not dare tell them "Oh don't worry, your baby can probably wait half an hour. No biggie."

  • sugartomyhoney@xanga

    Great post I totally agree.

    @imperfect_still@xanga - first of all you need to expand your vocabulary and secondly you are the one who needs to grow up.
  • a12906@xanga

    It seems some people find it hard to fantasize about your breasts while they're feeding, at least without creeping themselves out. That's the only way I can understand Lady Gaga and the rest being ok but breast feeding not.

  • der_lila_Stern@xanga

    @imperfect_still@xanga - you contradict yourself in this post.  You talk about not wanting to see it but then you also talk about how even if they are covered up they are still doing it and it makes your stomach churn.    So what is it?  If the woman and the child are completely covered up, there is nothing but your imagination causing you problems.


    @opster25 - see comments directed towards imperfect since you agree with everything that was said.
  • der_lila_Stern@xanga
  • sugartomyhoney@xanga

    @imperfect_still@xanga - I see from your site that you are starving yourself, literally.  You disgust with breastfeeding sounds like a mental/emotional problem for you.  Please don't make it every nursing mother's problem.  I just want you to know that if you want to lose weight you are going about it the wrong way.  You are killing your metabolism by starving your self.  Please get some help and lose weight the right way.  You are going to become or are already becoming anorexic.  Please get some help.  I will say a prayer for you.  As for the foul language, well that's a bad habit.  Looks like you do read.  Maybe try to incorporate some new words into your vocabulary?

  • prettyboy78@xanga

    I have no problem with breastfeeding in public, only when woman are overly exposed. If and when they do breastfeed in public they can stay covered (as shown in your picture), without exposing the majority of their breasts.
    People also need to understand basic rules and that while many THINK breastfeeding is best, not everyone agrees with that so that idea shouldn't be pushed on anyone else. It is a personal choice up to each mother (or parents together) to decide what is best, and just as some babies wont take a bottle, some woman CAN'T breastfeed, so those that push the breastfeeding is best (or more the ONLY way to go) need to think about that.
    Also, only 43 states have laws about breastfeeding in public or private locations, which means some states have no laws, meaning it can be ILLEGAL to breastfeed in some places.
    And public indecency laws are only in less than 30 states, which means that you can get into trouble for showing to much or any skin while doing it.
    Like I said, I have no issue with breastfeeding in public, my problem is with the woman who think they have the right to expose the whole or almost whole breast either before or after their infant feeds. I don't understand those that disapprove of it in general or are "uncomfortable" with it.
    And while not a prude, there is a big difference between "sex sells" marketing and a woman exposing herself to breastfeed, and people do need to understand the difference. Since so many like to point out "breasts are for feeding babies, not sex/mens enjoyment" you CAN'T compare the two if you feel that way. Which I think is a stupid line anyway, as without those breasts and men who like them (although not all men are breast men) those babies wouldn't necessarily be here.

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