Wednesday, 16 December 2009

  • Teacher Gets Off Easy After "Punishing" a Child



    This story about a first-grade teacher cutting off a student's braid shocked me, but not as much as the "punishment"! A FINE?! This teacher not only embarrassed this poor child but that's psychologically scarring. I don't care how loudly the girl was playing with her hair, the teacher could have assigned a time out, principal's office, anything but that. And she still gets to teach?!

    I won't even lie, had this been my daughter, I would have beat the shit out of this teacher to hell and back. They would have to sedate me or something. This is crazy. "Teacher Stress" my ass. If you don't have patience for small children or people in general, get into a better profession. I hope Lamya's parents go after her in civil court since the district attorney didn't do a damn thing.

    What do you think of this?

Comments (113)

  • Brilliant_Innocence@xanga

    I agree with you. My mom was a teacher for 33 years and never did anything like that to a child, even though she's been through frustrating experiences!!! If you're that frustrated, find another way to let it out, rather than do something like this to a first grader!  A FIRST GRADER! Good grief... 

  • TheNumberScott@xanga

    Well, I'm not sure physical violence is really the way to go, or the right way to teach your child how to resolve conflicts, but that is pretty bad. I would be pretty upset if that happened to my daughter. The luring her over with candy part is the worst.


    Although, the fine is city imposed. It doesn't say if there was any discipline from the school or district, so hopefully there's something else that's going to happen.

  • tsh44@xanga

    I'm not in favor of physical violence but if this had been my child that teacher would have been lucky to not end up bald. I hope the parents do pursue this in civil and also juvenile court. I would have asked the juvenile authorities to charge her with child abuse. Forcibly cutting a child is abuse no matter how you look at it.

  • firetyger@xanga

    Someone who can't control their "frustration" and goes so far as to cut off a child's hair and humiliate them in front of other students should not be teaching children.  Period.

  • RaquelHiggins005@xanga

    I agree. I so agree. I'm majoring in Education and I would never do this to a child. If a teacher ever felt that they needed to discipline my child that is just not acceptable (like what this teacher did), fuck a lawsuit, I would beat that teachers ass until they're afraid to even leave their damn house again.This isn't 1910 nor was it a Catholic prep school. Teachers are not allowed to touch a student.

  • draco1531@xanga

    Anyone who thinks that beating the teacher is a real solution is worse than this teacher (who also acted WAY WAY out of line). 

  • Shy___Away@xanga

    Not
    only is this humiliating, but just to speak on practicality's behalf-
    um, this girl is black. A) if that's her real hair, it takes a FUCKING
    LONG TIME to grow! B) if it's fake hair, that shit is expensive!

    What
    the teacher did was completely uncalled for. The girl is probably what,
    six, yes, six year olds play with their hair. If you're going to get
    into education, and if you're going to enter a classroom full of six
    year olds, you need to be emotionally prepared to deal with them. I
    don't know if that one action deserves for her to get fired (we don't
    know if this sort of impatience is a tendency or if she just snapped
    that one day), but definitely transferred to another school. She might
    want to seriously reconsider her career choice?

  • michcoy@xanga

    Wow, I hadn't even heard about this.  That teacher should not be allowed to teach any longer, I can't believe they were only fined!

  • smgcrossfire@xanga

    That's ridiculously immature. "I'm frustrated, so I'll chop off the hair of the person who frustrated me." How old is this teacher, 10?

  • tracezilla@lovelyish

    I think this is ridiculous. This teacher should no longer be allowed to teach. You do not physically assault a child just because she wasn't behaving properly. And since when as teacher stress been an excuse?? Teaching is a stressful job by nature!

    I agree with the OP, if she can't take the pressure of teaching  then she doesn't need to teach. Just because she wasted her time in college for a profession she apparently can't handle is NOT the children's faults and it is NOT the parents' faults.

    I agree, I hope they go after her in civil court. And if it were me, I'd do whatever the hell I could to push for this teacher's dismissal. How dare they treat this so lightly?! That's just like telling her it is okay to do that to her students, as long as she has the money to pay a damn fine.

    When I was in school, THIS sort of crap would NOT have been tolerated.

  • causewehavealovesostrong@xanga

    Wow.  This sounds like something a child would do to another child.  Way to be mature teacher.  I'm pretty sure a "oh, I'm sorry" doesn't cover it.  That doesn't make her hair magically grow back.

  • Daisy86162@xanga

    I agree that this teacher was out of line.  However, had it been my child I would only request counseling for both the teacher and my child and that my child be moved to another class.

     I hear horror stories from teachers about the monster children they have to deal with because their parents treat them like they can do no wrong.  Ridiculous.  I know a teacher who once had to tackle a child because he started throwing desks and chairs at the other students and at her and she was reprimanded.  The kid wasn't hurt and she stopped him from causing further damage.  The system is all screwed up.

  • Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga

    @TheNumberScott@xanga - @draco1531@xanga - @RaquelHiggins005@xanga - I wrote this post like 2 minutes after I wrote it so I was hyped on anger. I DO agree that physical violence doesnt solve anything but seriously, if this were your child & you pick them up & they tell you what happened, who knows what we as mothers would do. My mom has a way with words & once when my kindergarten teacher insulted her during a meeting, she scared her so bad she ran out & got the principal & HE ended up telling her off because she was out of line.

    Not only that, the coward they call the teacher hasnt been answering calls or messages which shows how ashamed & stupid she must feel. The news crew should stand post at the school & get a picture of this monster who is "teaching" so people know who to watch out for. This is crazy & uncalled for.


    Also, I went to Catholic school & even they arent allowed to beat children anymore, so I dont know where in her head this teacher came up with this. 
  • Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga

    @Daisy86162@xanga - You're right too. There should be rules in place for violent children AND teachers who cant control their tempers. I once had a teacher in 6th grade call me stupid in front of the whole class. What happened was she was passing out books for a report & I passed mine back thinking I was getting another one eventually but she didnt pass anymore down my row & I told her I didnt have a book & she went off into some tirade saying "You are SO stupid!! How intelligent do you have to be to pass down a book" & she was LOUD too. When my mother confronted her the next day with the principal, she had the nerve to LIE about it. Then my classmates coming in to class behind her told the principal she did do it & then she tried to JUSTIFY it saying that whole row (of students) was trouble. So my mother told her if she didnt it again she was coming back with the board of education. I didnt have a problem for the rest of the year.


    I found out years later she left or something & was in a public school. She probably got fired because no one liked her.
  • Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga

    @Shy___Away@xanga - While it's true we dont know if she acts like this all the time, her "snaps" may get worse. I've seen teachers suspended or fired for doing less than this, so I wonder why she wasnt tackled with abuse charges. 


    @michcoy@xanga - @tracezilla@lovelyish - Things may change soon. Once word gets out people may pressure the school & district into action. I remember a few years ago, a boy in high school got a call AT LUNCHTIME from his mother serving in Iraq & one of the teachers tried to make him hang up. He told them "this is my mom, I'm not about to hang up on her" & they suspended him for 10 days. The immense backlash they got from that made them reduce it to like 3 I think. first off, it was lunchtime & in his situation, they could have been understanding, especially since after 9/11 they changed rules regarding cell phones.

    @smgcrossfire@xanga - @causewehavealovesostrong@xanga - I know, I had to reread this story to make sure I read it right! Not even 10, like 4...a 10 year old would know not to play with scissors!
  • tracezilla@lovelyish

    @Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga - They shouldn't have suspended him at all for that. :/

    Either way, though, I hope that you're right and that teacher gets fired, at the very least.

  • Cosmar@xanga

    That's assault, right there.
    It doesn't matter if it didn't "hurt", it's still a part of the child's body, and the teacher harmed it.
    The teacher should NEVER be allowed to teach again, in any capacity.
    If it was my child I'd get my revenge, alright, I'd shave the teacher bald.

  • filtered_sunlight

    The blog is slightly misleading if you don't click on the story; my first thought was that it had been one big braid that effected the entire length of the girl's hair, when infact it's one of many, it's probably not even visable, and "damage" was minimal. I'm not saying that it was "right", but I've endured worse for the hair folical drug screening for employment.


    There's also a lot this story leaves out because we're not getting the teacher's point of view. We don't know how many letters were sent home to parents about the girl's behavoir in class. We don't know how long this was a disruption to the classroom. We don't know how many times the girl was told to stop it or what her response was. We all have our breaking point.


    Though, yes, I'd agree with the people that said perhaps she needs a career change.

  • IrresistibleInsomnia@xanga

    I would be completely and utterly Livid. There is No way this teacher is justified in doing something so juvenile and hurtful. I would go to that teacher and let her know that it is in No way her place to be "Teaching" my child in such a way... The lesson would Stick, one way or another. I do not care if I had to scar it in her, she would Never cross any lines with me, my child, or any other child so long as she would live.

  • Daisy86162@xanga

    @Shinbi_Belldandy@xanga - In most states public schools usually pay teachers more than private schools.  It doesn't seem like it but by the time you factor in insurance, it's quite a big difference.  Doesn't really have much to do with this topic, just an interesting tid-bit.

  • Vallery@xanga

    @filtered_sunlight - Glad someone else said it.


    If this behavior from the teacher is a regular occurance and she leaves the classroom crying every day because she can't handle it, then sure, maybe she should look to change careers.  And it was unfortunate that for some reason (either the teacher's lack of patience or the ridiculous amount of discruption from the girl - or a combination of both, whatever) this happened.  However, it's getting really old to me just how terribly teachers are treated consistently.  Do you know how much training, schooling, certifications, exams, etc. teachers must go through to initially BECOME teachers?  You cannot receive liscensure today in most states without a master's degree and a significant (and expensive) handful of certifications.  Not to mention a teacher must constantly continue education through further certifications and updated courses (at their own expense!) throughout their career.  Couple that with the fact that most teachers don't get paid much more than 30 or 40K a year and the hours a teacher must put in (no, teachers do not have 8:00 to 3:00 days and "summers off" - any time a teacher is not in front of students, he/she is preparing lesson plans, grading/prepping assignments, attending lectureships and classes - mostly throughout the summer - etc.), and it's pretty safe to say that teaching is about one of the least profitable jobs in the nation.


    Now, bear with me - I don't think that what a person is paid determines what their effort should be in their job.  Making minimum wage, in my opinion, is no excuse to not do your best.  I only say all that to point out that teachers go through HELL to first acquire and then keep liscensure, and looking at it objectively, it is most certainly not worth the time, stress, and money.  Teachers become teachers and remain teachers (for the most part - I know there are always exceptions) because somewhere inside them they have more of a desire to help children and contribute to society than actually living comfortably.  A teacher's life is stressful - I have plenty of friends who teach from whom I've heard horror story after horror story of certain children (who, through the example of their parents, think that they can do no wrong and don't have to listen to authority for any reason at any time) who are continuously disruptive to a classroom, and because of incidents like this, teachers can't do a single thing about it.  Sure, send the child to the principle's office - only to have them sent back a few minutes later.  They can't keep them there forever.  Call their parents?  The parents curse and scream at teachers for "not doing a good enough job" with their kids and the child's behavior continues because they recieve no discipline at home.  What is a teacher supposed to do when a child literally causes learning to stop because they cannot be removed from the classroom effectively but are continuously disruptive?  I personally would be livid if MY child were in a class with a kid who was constantly making noise to the point where no effective teaching could be accomplished.


    Now, I'm not necessarily saying that this girl was a continuous disruption (we're not told that part) and I'm definitely not saying that the teacher's behavior is warranted.  She should NOT have done that; any physical contact with students can be turned into "aggravated assault" if the parents want to start a lawsuit, so it's best anymore to just not touch kids under any circumstances (although it's sad that something like this is seriously being equated with something like the teacher smacking the child in the face or something....sheesh).  However, revoke her liscense because of this?!  If a teacher's liscense is revoked for what is deemed "abuse", they do not get it back.  Ever.  Upwards of probably a $100,000 and loads of time, effort and stress of an investment snatched away because of something like THIS?  Please.  That's as much a childish overreaction as the teacher cutting the girl's braid off in the first place.  Assuming this was an isolated incident, a reprimand and a fine were suitable punishment for this.


    I'd really like to hear the teacher's perspective on this, too.  Although I'm wondering if not bothering to get an opinion from the teacher's perspective of the situation is just another example of how teachers are trampled on nowadays.

  • InOverMyHead2@xanga

    To me, it doesn't matter how much hair was involved it was the fact that this teacher "snapped", lost control.  There is no excuse for that...none!  If she felt herself getting to the edge, she should have sent the child to the Principal's office.  This woman needs a career change now!



  • alternative_mom@xanga

    Oh let some teacher try that with any of my children . There will be hell to pay.  I realize that children are not innocent but that is completely out of line, disrespectful and rude.  She had no right and she pretty much violated that poor little girl.

  • wolvenchic@xanga

    If I were that girl's parent, I would have told her to shave her head in front of faculty and staff and experience what that little girl did...she could have sat the girl in time out, she could have sent her to the principal or held her from reccess, but you NEVER solve a situation in doing something physically to a child like that...

    she shouldnt be allowed to teach =(

  • agnophilo@xanga

    Teacher should be fired and be sentenced to have her head shaved in front of her pupils.

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