Tuesday, 17 November 2009

  • A Little Help Here...Kindergarten a Warzone?

    Guest post from Tu Tu's Bliss

    It's time for Two Cents Tuesday. This is the day you can dish out all that great advice no one has the good sense to ask you for. Bring it on! Need some advice? Ask and you shall receive.

    Princess has started school and each day she is increasingly afraid. She has always been an old soul but school has pushed her from calm to withdrawn. Princess rarely gets in trouble but is so worried about making her teacher angry that she comes home in tears. At the conference her teacher showed a general interest and concern. I was optimistic. We talked about ways to ease her anxiety in school. Then she insinuated Princess might need medical help to manage her anxiety. She is five. She shouldn't have anxiety. It is kindergarten not a war zone. 

    Why is my five year old experiencing post traumatic stress syndrome? The more I think about it the more concerned I am. Is this normal? Now that kindergarten is increasingly intense are kids crumbling under pressure before their first tooth fairy visit? Princess isn't the only one. Another little girl in her class was so stressed that she was throwing up in the bushes before school.

    What happened to singing songs, flicking boogers and eating paste? What would you do?

Comments (18)

  • ayisha881

    This is why I'm homeschooling my sons for kindergarten and not letting them enter public school until 1st grade.  And this is why I'm homeschooling my daughters from K-6th grade.  Children are under too much pressure these days by society, school districts, the No Child Left Behind Act, and their parents to suceeed and be little robotic adults from the time they learn to walk.

  • TheNumberScott@xanga

    I would volunteer in the class, so you can see what's going on first hand. It could be that teacher's style, especially if it is happening to more than one person. You may consider switching teachers, or even schools if you can.


    "worried about making her teacher angry" is a big red flag for me. You need to see if the teacher really is getting angry, or if your child is just perceiving disappointment in not working at an acceptable rate, as angry. Talk to your child (if you haven't done so already) about why she feels this way, what the teacher does when she gets angry, or what makes her get angry. A kindergarten teacher should not be getting angry at the students under any circumstances.


    So talk to your child, and volunteer and/or observe the classroom.


    Good luck!

  • Alatariel40@xanga

    @TheNumberScott@xanga - I second that thought. I volunteered in the classroom, and ate lunch with my child. Kintergarten was OK, but the lunchroom was very scary, with teachers shouting all the time, "No Talking!" "Hurry up and eat!"

    First grade class was less fun with more pressure from peers.

    Second grade class was very good, but the lunchroom got worse.

    Half-way through the year, she asked if she could be homeschooled, which we have been doing since 2002.

  • Luv2BMama@xanga

    There is way too much pressure in schools these days.  Kid are expected to act way more grown up than 5 & 6 year olds should.  I plan on homeschooling my children.  I agree with TheNumberScott, I would definitely try to figure out what your daughter is afraid of.   How does the teacher act when she gets angry, maybe she's yelling or something and frightening the children.  That should not be happening in Kindergarten.

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  • averyswife@xanga

    Homeschool!  It sounds like it might be best for your daughter...at least for a year or two.

  • sinpescado@xanga

    I would take others' advice to volunteer in the classroom but be aware the teacher (like anyone) is likely to change their way of being with you there.


    The other thing is to see if you can find out what happens when the teacher gets angry.  Of course you'll have to sort out 5 year old angst from actual truth but it may give you some perspective about what is happening. See if it is her main teacher or another teacher she is exposed to (or, heaven forbid, all of them). It's possible that it's a school culture problem more than any one person.


    I'm not fond of my son's kider teacher - she always seems stressed and unhappy and I've hears the tone of voice she uses with the kids - but my son doesn't seem to notice so we stick with it.  I still have to work so homeschool isn't an option for us right now.  Thus far, he's learning and reasonably happy but I am sad that he's already losing his love of going to school at the age of 5.  Very, very sad.

  • aidensmommy

    @ayisha881 - why are you home schooling one only until 1st grade and the other until 6th

  • bubbelcat

    @ayisha881 - Just curious why you are hsing your daughters and not your sons?  In general boys fare MUCH worse in a school environment than girls.  I strongly recommend reading "Raising Cain" and "Boys Adrift".  I was a teacher and after reading these books I seriously question why any sane parent puts their sons in school.

    The the OP I second, third and fourth all of the recommendations to spend time in the classroom as much as possible.  The teacher may be able to change her behavior for one or two visits but not for multiple visits over a period of time.  And go at various times, before lunch, after lunch, at dismissal time.  My son is a very anxious child.  He had a very difficult time with K despite being a perfectly behaved child.  Part of it is his ADD (which we discovered after K) and part of it was his teacher.  My son is a people pleaser and this woman was a humiliator and shamer.  I spent many, many, many hours in the classroom and saw her reduce children to tears, make them feel terrible about themselves and their work all while claiming to "love" the kids.  The sad thing is I don't think she even realized how hurtful she was.

    The other part of the problem is that the "new K" is incredibly developmentally inappropriate for 5 and 6 year olds.  Remember the old style K with centers where you learned to color inside the lines, play make believe and make fire engines out of shapes you cut yourself?  THAT is what is cognitively and motor skills appropriate NOT reading, NOT writing!  If kids can do those things and want to do those things great but statistically the push for early academics is a leading cause of dx of learning disabilities in children which would make it likely that it is also a strong contributor to emotional disorders like stress and anxiety. 

    Consider this, Finland has the highest literacy rate in the world.  They do not even start formalized schooling until 7 years old.  That is 2nd grade for your average American child.  There is absolutely NO correlation to the age at which a child begins reading and computing and their future success in life.  They are finite skills, once they are mastered they are mastered.  In the end it really doesn't matter if this happens at 4 or 9 years old.  This emphasis on all the wrong things at all the wrong times is a large part of why we homeschool.

  • michcoy@xanga

    I hope things get better soon for Princess.  When I was in the 1st grade I was placed in a class where there teacher was extremely strict and demanding and I was having many of the same problems as your daughter and was not the only one.  Reading this post was like having de ja vu by the way...Unfortunately there is no real happy ending to my story, I finished out the 1st grade in that classroom and was an anxious, teacher-pleasing child for the rest of my life. I think I was having issues because I was terrified to disappoint adults, my parents had just been through a divorce and I think this affected me greatly.  Just love and support Princess and maybe even have her class switched if you think it is the teacher...if you think it is just the school system and too much pressure maybe find a hobby outside of school that Princess loves and excels at so she has something other than school giving her joy and fulfillment, especially while she finishes out kindergarten.  

  • princess_riceball@xanga

    I agree with those that have said to volunteer in the class room, that way you can see first hand what she is dealing with and how she is dealing with it.
    Personally my daughter has some anxiety issues (I think it's hereditary, I have anxiety issues too).  I've never been one to run straight to medication especially for kids.  Her anxiety is one of the many reasons we decided to homeschool.  We are only doing pre-K but she is thriving and doing well.  If you have the time available to you I'd definitely consider homeschooling an option.  For us starting out using a curriculum from an umbrella school has helped eliminate that fear that she's not learning what she should.

  • KelseyLDoll@xanga

    I agree that the statement she made to you about being AFRAID of making her teacher angry is a HUGE red flag! And the fact that another child was so thoroughly stressed and scared that the poor thing vomited from it is alarming. I wouldn't allow this woman to teach INMATES, let alone children!

    I was a victim of a 'bully teacher' when I was in first grade. I was a very, VERY, well behaved child, sweet natured, loved to have fun (what kid doesn't?), but I wasn't the cutest looking child out there. I was cute in my own way, but not magazine cute, lol. She exploited that. She made sure I knew she thought I was ugly. She'd tell me that I was a spoiled ugly little brat and that she'd "wipe that smirk off of my face" sooner or later. This woman would get in my face and SCREAM at me if I had done so much as ask the kid next to me for a pencil or a crayon. I stopped playing with my toys at home, I stopped wanting to see my play mates. I wanted to just sit on the couch all day and be quite so I wouldn't draw any attention to myself.

    I was terrified that I'd get into trouble every day. She had me convinced that if I told my parents they'd be mad at me and I'd get into trouble at home.

    One day I worked up the courage to tell them. I didn't get into trouble, and was moved into a different class. My parents said my personality changed overnight. I became a KID again.

    I hope that your child hasn't reached the point of desperation. PLEASE at least go into her classroom. She needs to know that you'll not only say you'll do something, but that you'll actually DO something. She's too little to fight her own battles yet. I bet her teacher is counting on you guys showing up once, maybe twice, and having to only be on good behavior for a handful of hours. Spring random visits, observe from afar. Spend as much time as you can in that classroom. She's not 15, she wont get a bad reputation for you being there... Your her warrior. You know her best. Kindergarten should be fun- she's not having fun. You only get a couple of years that should be carefree, and she's being starved of one of them because of this teacher. I hope you guys figure out what's going on so your obviously loved child can better be helped by the education system.

  • ayisha881

    @aidensmommy - Well I don't want my daughters being around bad influences in school (the girls in my husband's country are all materialistic, meaning there's a good portion of them who have servants/nannys *which is legal in my husband's area of the world* and since we don't believe in having servants, I don't want my girls getting picked on for not being like them.  Plus the dowry in Islam for marriage is what the man can afford, not $50,000 USD + a driver + a big house + a fancy car (which women are forbidden to drive anyway in hubby's country) + nanny to take of the future children + jewelry + servants to do the housework and cooking).  I don't want my daughters coming home and asking me why their little friends have servants and we don't.  Plus I can't sew and since I'll be teaching my daughters to do sewing, it will give me practice as well.


    @bubbelcat - We were talking about this last night.  My hubby says he'll make sure to send our sons to their cousins school so their cousins can help defend our sons. I don't want my sons taking crap from anybody because I'm American.  I'm more worried about my daughters being picked on school then my sons.  Plus there is just things I cannot teach my sons that a school could teach them.

  • Suesbooks

    I would make some visits to the classroom at different times different days and observe what goes on there.  Show up earlier than the pickup time and listen and watch.  Volunteering to help out in class is a great idea. Always listen to your child.  There is something not right when they are like that. Check it out. 

  • LannaM@xanga

    Yeah, it doesn't sound like normal Kindy behavior, even with the more accelerated programs out there.  Even if your child's more of an old soul who's a bit more sensitive. 

    What would I do?  No idea.  We homeschool and are planning/hoping to avoid public schooling as my children can learn pretty groovy on their own and I don't want their love of learning literally sucked out of them like what happened to me (yup, had my fair share of awful, horrible teachers, and yup, they shaped me more than you'd hope).

  • filtered_sunlight

    My first third-grade teacher was the red-headed step-child of the school (the other teachers stayed far away and she even ended up in a portable while the rest of the grade was in a main building of the school)...and she took that out on us. She was a screamer...and I mean SCREAM!ER! I was a very quiet and well-behaved child...she never had a reason to scream at me, but just being in the portable with her was enough to stress me out! I dreaded school...so much so that my peditrician diagnosed me with an ulcer. In third grade!! My mom had me moved into another class and all was well. The following year, that particular teacher wasn't with the school any longer. I pray she retired! She needed it.


    Perhaps a simple change in teachers could benefit Princess...?


    We're going to be homeschooling our daughter...mostly because we don't agree with what the school system has become. The two boys in our household have been in public school and I don't know that I have it in me to try to homeschool them because of behavoiral issues with both of them; in general, they tend to respect the formal teachers much more than they do me. Perhaps that will change with time and we may reconsider, but until then, we're just taking an active role in what they're doing in school, keeping in touch with teachers and being knee-deep in the homework with them.

  • whitetrashpoet@xanga

    @filtered_sunlight - Similar thing happened to me in third grade! We had a teacher's aide who was just horrible. She was very picky about "clean desks", so she would wander around the room during class, and if you even just had loose papers in your desk she would dump the desk over and make you sit on the floor and clean it top to bottom while the other kids learned (and stared at you). And she would scream over nothing. Very stressful, and I ended up with an ulcer as well, even though I was very well behaved and got very good grades (I always had a "messy" desk, though, even if I still don't consider that "messy"). I wonder why people like that decide to work around young children, when patience is SO important.

  • filtered_sunlight

    @whitetrashpoet@xanga -  Maybe they were sisters...that same teacher would have a meltdown if you had the spiral bound note books instead of the book-bound style (which were more expensive and I haven't even seen in the stores in recent years...it wasn't really a composition notebook, but sort of the a hybrid between the standard spiral and the comp books) because she swore they would become an entangled mess. Lady, I'm sorry but you are not in a wealthy area; we work with what our parents could afford to buy us. Is it paper? Yes? Then be happy!!


     I don't think that some people realize that they don't have the patience for it A.) until it's too late and they're in the classroom and having to stay there because they have their own student loans to pay off or B.) ever because some people just cannot look in the mirror.

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