Friday, 13 November 2009

  • Trusting People With Our Children -What Do We Do When They Fail Us?

    I was reading a story about 6-year old autistic child who was never dropped off by his bus driver. The child  had fallen asleep during the bus ride and was left in his Schultz Transportation bus in a depot lot all alone a few miles from her house.
    The bus driver has been fired for the incident. Here is the article.

    As a father of three school age children I have a little peace of mind because if one of my children would not get off the bus or one of them was asleep, the others would make sure that the child would get off. But my thoughts go to what would happen if I only had one child. Then how would I feel?

    I mean everyday we trust people to do their job appropriately. The bus driver who takes our kids to school, the teacher who teaches our kids, the police officers who maintain law and order, the congressman who fights for the little man, the president who does what is right for the county  and the people in between who we trust all the time to do those things they get paid to do and who we trust to always do it in a proper manner.

    In the end it is trust that allows us to believe in certain people to do the jobs that they do. Most times we don't ask questions or second guess. We just trust. When trust is broken, the reality of our lives becomes clear. When people fail us we need to learn to trust again. The trusting again...Now that's the hard part!

    So what happens when the people we trust fail us?

    Do we shut down and take total control in that area constantly looking over our shoulder for the next person to fail us? Or do we move on with our lives and assume that what happened was just a mistake and could not happen again?

Comments (23)

  • filtered_sunlight

    I've wondered about that...I honestly don't know what I would do/how I would handle it. I'd like to assume that we'd be able to just put it behind us and move on, but...until we're put in that situation...and hopefully we're not, we just don't know.


    I wonder how the boy went missing so long without someone noticing? The link isn't working for me and I need to get busy with other things, but...I'd know if the kids hadn't come home and would be calling the school to find out if they'd gotten on the bus and be calling the bus driver and so on until he was found, you know?

  • BarryDadof3@xanga
  • gwacemom

    Much like filtered_sunlight, I would hope I would be able to be thankful my child was safe and move forward from the incident. Not having been in such a situation and hoping I never am, I can't answer beyond the possibility.


  • hippiechristian73102@xanga

    I'm glad the boy was safe.  I'm also glad the driver was fired.  

  • just_the_average_jane@xanga

    Move forward.  Also teach your kids what to do in case of such emergencies!  Granted, I'm not autistic; but I have been overlooked on the school bus before, and another time I got left behind in a shop while on a field trip.  Scary, but you learn from them and keep going.  Doesn't hurt to take reasonable precautions though.

    I wonder why the mother didn't notice until an hour later?  Wouldn't you notice when the bus went by without stopping to let your kid off? 

  • Morningstarrising@xanga

    @just_the_average_jane@xanga - Sometimes the bus doesn't take the same route every day... there's always tweaking.  When we lived in CT and my daughter went to school, sometimes she'd be home at 11:30, sometimes closer to 12:15.  It just depended on the needs of the day and how many other kids were on the bus.  

  • MistressAislin@xanga

    I think it has to be somewhere in the middle.  We cannot just trust blindly again, but we will never have complete control and cannot drive ourselves crazy trying. 


    Live learn, and as just the average jane said "Teach." 


    I'm glad he was fired.  People in positions of trust should go the extra mile to make sure that the trust isn't misplaced.  This is rarely an ideal world, even for a moment.

  • CrAdLe2daGrAve@xanga

    I WORK WITH KIDS RANGING FROM INFANTS TO SCHOOL-AGE... AND I DEF LOVE WORKING WITH KIDS AND I WOULD NEVER HARM A HAIR ON ANY CHILD BECAUSE IT'S HORRIBLE HOW ANYONE WOULD WANNA HURT A CHILD WHENEVER I SEE SHIT HAPPENING TO KIDS IN A NEGATIVE WAY I JUST GO NUTS BECAUSE I HATE SEEING IT! AND I KNOW THE ANXIETY OF A PARENT LEAVING THEIR CHILD IN SOMEONE ELSE'S CARE... THAT'S ONE OF MY FEARS WHEN I BECOME A PARENT... TRUST IS SO HARD TO COME BY IN THIS WORLD... YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT PEOPLE'S INTENTIONS ARE... IT'S LIKE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT... IT'S SO HARD TO SAY WHAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT OR WHAT WE CAN DO TO PREVENT SHIT LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING TO OUR CHILDREN... ONCE THE TRUST IS BROKEN IT'S HARD TO TRUST AGAIN THAT QUICK... 

  • Stitch_Sander@xanga

    i think that sometimes people just over-estimate their abilities to handle things or their physical stamina, like it or not, everyone has a limit. if you are tired and sick, better stay away from your job than keep pushing for it till you faint and land yourself in the hospital, or worse land everyone else in the hospital.


    but once a bond is broken, it will take a long time for people to trust you again. considering the credibility lost as well as the damage you could potentially do to yourself and others.

  • BarniganFlarn@xanga

    I think that people make mistakes, and it's sort of expected. Heck, my very own parents left without me once. Each one thought the other had taken me home and didn't discover their error until they arrived home. Luckily I just hitched a ride with my aunt. The bus driver likely scanned all the seats and didn't see or hear any kids. The kid was probably small and tilted sideways so that he was blocked by the seat in front of him. Yes, the bus driver should have walked up and down the aisle to double check there were no kids left, but after so many days of kids diligently getting off the bus, he probably just assumed by the silence they were all off the bus as usual. I think the reaction depends on the severity of the incident. I don't think that if this happened to my kid I would be riding the bus with my child from then on, making sure the driver did their job. I think it was a rare enough incident that I could bank on it probably not happening again, especially if the next driver were reminded to walk the aisle after their shift. We take risks when we trust others, but it's necessary in order to function. You can't shadow your kid at every moment, and even if you do, things can still happen to them, whether it's under your care or the care of another. Mistakes are inevitable, but this doesn't mean we have to be paranoid either. We just take what we assume to be the least riskiest risks and hope and pray our kids will survive through them. 

  • roseoliviaxx@xanga

    i think that is horrible. i work with kids a lot and i would never let that happen.


    i work in a childcare centre and we are always very careful making sure every child is ok, and when we take them on excursions we are even more careful.
    i also babysit for a family who has a 4yr old and 2yr old triplets. i take them out all the time sometimes i have them for most of the weekend but i would never let anything happen to them, i am always checking a double checking that i have done everything i need to and that all the children are where they need to be.
    x
  • radicalreefer@xanga

    Honestly, most people can barely trust their family and friends. What makes you think you can trust someone you don't know?

    And I think it's funny everyone saying "Oh, I would never do this! I check on my kids three times an hour and I make sure everything is perfect for them!"

    @BarniganFlarn@xanga -  I'm glad there are people like you in this world.

  • bubbelcat

    What frightens me is not that people make idiotic mistakes, like leaving a child on a bus, but the number of parents that just "forgive and forget" because it is easier not to make waves, they think they're being "nice and forgiving" or they can't be bothered to inconvenience themselves by standing up for their kid and for possibly having to change something (like driving the kid to school).  In my experience parents put their own convenience over their child's welfare the majority of the time. 

    There are, or should be, safeguards in place to make sure this does NOT happen.  When it does happen it is because someone was not doing their job.  A mistake, ok, but also negligence.  When I was working for a daycare center one of my co-workers left a sleeping child on the bus.  Why?  Because she was pissed at the director of the center, distracted and couldn't wait to get off the bus to vent to another co-worker.  Also she didn't check the kids on and off the bus.  The only reason this child was found was because her older sister asked where she was (they attended different schools and arrived at the center separately).  I asked the co-worker and she insisted the child was in the center, actually becoming quite indignant about it.  While I frantically searched every corner of the center co-worker kept up her venting in the infant room.  I finally found the child on the bus after she'd been there for about 10 minutes.  Not that long BUT it was the last run of the day and had her sister not asked and had I not looked she could have been there until 6:00, a full 3 hours.    So you'd think my stupid co-worker would be fired right?  Nope.  She was "talked to" because to fire her they'd have to fire the Director (who the mgrs. loved) and I was instructed to keep my mouth shut or lose my job.  You'd think the parents would be upset right?  Nope.  They never got to know the whole story and they "hoped no one got in trouble over this".  WTF!?!  Needless to say I changed jobs soon after (but not before another stupid employee gave a child peanut butter despite the fact the child was on the peanut allergy list prominently displayed in the classroom.  That employee was not fired either, entire incident was swept under the rug and the center maintained its spotless record). 

    So no, I don't trust people with my children and I don't believe a word they say when they give excuses about inexcusable mistakes.  When something like this happens it is not my job to "forgive and forget" it is my job to make sure it doesn't happen again.

  • XxFireXboltxX@xanga

    The only people I trust with my son is my husband (who is his father), my parents and my husband's parents. There are a handful of ladies at church who I trust. Other than that, my son stays with me or my husband. We plan on homeschooling for reasons such as this.

  • lauralois@xanga

    i'm still a minor. people talking about children like this makes me feel like an object.

  • falconfraudless@xanga

    I am not like you. I never trust people with anything unless they have proven to be trustworthy. Trust is often tossed around, but I give out sparingly and keep mine.

  • leannenannette@xanga

    I have a hard time trusting people at times.  I do not take trust lightly.  I am absolutely honored every time someone leaves their kids with me to baby-sit.  I know how huge it is that they can trust me with something that is so precious to them- their kids! 

  • Itinvolvedwhippedcream@xanga

    you mean, every day you trust people to do YOUR job effectively.  how many waking hours do you spend with your child as opposed to how much they are in the care of others?


  • zockonzockon@xanga

    you can't think that way because things happen in life. you can't base a whole lifetime on one incident. you have to hope that people have the skills, compassion, and respect to do what they have to and to do things out of the goodness of their heart.

  • radicalreefer@xanga
  • tracezilla@lovelyish

    I'm glad the child was alright and that the bus driver was fired.

    In answer to your question, I think that you have to do a little of both. I think that everyone needs to take a little extra precaution these days. But, something like this is never asked for.

    I wonder how that bus driver got off the bus without noticing the child. Even if the child was completely quiet, wouldn't they see the child in that huge mirror buses have? And if not, wouldn't you think it should be procedure (especially if you have autistic children or children with other handicaps) to do a once-over or a twice-over yourself, going down the aisle and checking each and every seat and whatnot?

    I haven't read the article yet, but I am about to. But, I'm glad that that irresponsible (or at the very least extremely unobservant and lazy bus driver) got fired for this. There is no excuse!

    I really don't think I've ever heard of anything like this before. o.o;

  • ncxcorexkid@xanga

    Well, we've already had a president whom was most certainly not looking out for our best interests. I'm looking at you, Bush.

  • bubbelcat

    @zockonzockon@xanga - Yes, there has to be a balance but just as some people err too much on the side of distrust other people err too much on the side of trusting anyone, mostly because it makes their own life easier. 

    We had a dad come into our daycare center one morning wanting to enroll his daughter, right.that.minute.  No lie, he had NEVER been to our center, not met our staff, not visited a classroom, NOTHING, but he wanted to leave his daughter right then because his regular daycare fell through (I guess) and he needed to get to work.  He was furious that we would not take her without a health form filled out by a doctor.    He was the most egregious example but we had parents all the time who enrolled their kids after barely glancing around the center and asking no questions. 

    And it's not just daycare.  You hear ALL THE TIME about kids abducted or killed by someone the "parent" left them with because they wanted to go out/had to go to work/needed a break whatever.  They didn't care Mr. Joey next door had a rap sheet a mile long and is on the sex offender registry they needed a babysitter. 

    The fact is kids RARELY die from overly cautious parents who are slow to trust and who demand accountability.  They DO die or are injured from parents placing too much trust in others and not holding others to high standards.

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