Thursday, 29 October 2009

  • I'm So Glad I Googled "Hating Toddlers"

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    I am a mother of a well-behaved 6 year old boy. I like to think that this is a result of good parenting, but I can't take full credit; children have minds of their own, and I believe they decide whether or not they want to be brats.

    My problem is this: my brother's going through a divorce, and I've allowed him to move in with my family. Every couple of weeks, his two boys (ages 1 and 3) come to stay with us. The one-year old is... well, he's one year old. I can deal with minor tantrums and such that come along with that. But the three year old is an absolute MONSTER!! Monster-kid screams at adults, refuses to sleep (and runs around the house screaming in the middle of the night), he's a bully to his little brother, has a tantrum EVERY night at dinner, and will not share toys with ANYONE. Because my nephews only stay for 2 weeks at a time, the toys & books they play with -- as well as many of the clothes we keep for them -- are hand-me-downs that my son was kind enough to donate. Monster-nephew won't even share with my son, after everything he's parted with!!

    My brother constantly sides with Monster-kid, stating "he's only three" after every horrid thing he does. But my child was three years old once, and he was never as stingy or hateful. In fact, even if Monster-nephew was HALF as good as my child was, I could probably handle it... But he makes me insane!

    I don't want to tell my brother that he can't bring his children here, but the Monster-kid is completely evil. My poor child stays with my parents -- who are, thankfully, just around the corner -- when they visit, just so he can get proper rest he needs to perform well in school. It makes me sick. I have never thought anything worse than "what a brat" about a child... But I have actually found myself HOPING Monster-kid will fall down and hurt himself or something to teach him a lesson.

    Am I awful for feeling this way? How can I get through to my brother so he will try to do something about my Monster-nephew???            

Comments (35)

  • openmindedgirlk@xanga

    Your def. not awful for thinking this way because many ppl think there kids are angles. You should video the kids acting bad and show ur bro. Sometimes its easier seeing something when ur not in the heat of the sistuation. Maybe ur should tell him to disipline his kids or go, its sounds harsh but it might be the kick he needs, or you could take matters in ur own hands and deal with it.

  • RaquelHiggins005@xanga

    Just straight out tell him. It's better than him hearing it from a stranger. I think you can also take initiative. I have 10 uncles and 3 biological aunts as well as aunts by marriage, and they all took part in raising eachothers kids. When we were out of line, they disciplined us when our parents weren't there to do it. They were my aunts and uncles after all so I listened. I think it's better when you're related instead of like, a teacher or someone non-personal to you trying to discipline your child. Don't try to put it nicely either. For instance " I think your child has a behavior problem" or "Johnny's not very nice" because that will usually get the response of "Oh, he's just being a kid" or "he'll grow out of it". Be as brutally honest as necessary because everyone always thinks there's nothing wrong with their child.

  • DirtyAndShaken@xanga

    Yeah, no insult to your brother, but that's a result of parenting.  That little one thinks it's okay to behave that way, and he's obviously rewarded for it even if his father doesn't realize it.  I would straight out tell him, too, especially since your child is exposed and in the middle of the behavior.  The guilt of going through a divorce may play into it as well, thinking he needs to be lenient on the kids and 'give them a break' or 'cut them some slack' given the circumstances.

  • MangoWOW@xanga

    Sounds like the classic "My son is an angel and everyone else is horrible" dilemma. It's okay, you'll get over yourself.

  • chelseanataliex@xanga

    @MangoWOW@xanga - Yeah, it does sound like that, actually.

  • Our_New_Beginning@xanga

    I say it is YOUR house and if MONSTER NEPHEW is running a muck and affecting your kids, you have EVERY right to say something.  That's not how you do it in your household, if he does it else where then that's fine, but NOT in your house.  That way he learns that he can't get away with the same stuff he does everywhere else at your house.  He'll learn his boundaries and act straight at your house and be a monster everywhere else.  I think it's fair game.  Talk to your brother first and let him know that his son needs to learn to respect everyone when he's there and that it is your house.  I would, I've done it before, and I will do it again! I have kids that act like monsters everywhere else, but my house.  I like it. 

  • august_has_fallen@xanga

    If your brother is going through a divorce, then take into consideration the things the son may have grown up seeing. It obviously wasnt a perfect household since the marriage isnt staying together. Add to that the fact that he had to learn to share his spotlight with mom and dads with a sibling starting around the age of two.. and maybe he is needing some attention.

    Your son is six.. so saying HE generously decided to share his clothes with his cousin is an absolute falsehood.
    YOU chose to be generous yourself.
    The other boy is three, and while some three year olds may act better than others, their capacity for being self centered and wanting things for themselves IS normal and its because at their age, they really arent capable of understanding other peoples feelings the way we want them too.
    I hate the demands people have on children to be perfect at young ages..

    I can say with 100% certainty that YOU are not helping benefit this childs life in any way with a negative attitude like you have.
    Here you are with this perfect oppurtunity to step up and nuture, love and help care for the child who probably needs it now more than ever.
    But clearly you have no patience and are calling him a brat and everything your feeling towards him, he's im sure getting the vibe from you.
    If he doesnt feel welcome in your house, Im also pretty sure that wont help him to remain calm either.

    Maybe you should grow up in order to help this child grow up.


  • marzish@xanga

    stand your ground - it's your house. Even if the toddler is going through a hard time, the best & kindest thing a parent can do is give them structure and discipline. your brother isn't doing his kid any favors by letting him act that way.

  • mamajoyjoy

    has the nephew always been like that. do you think it's related to the divorce?

  • apgragg@xanga

    First, it's normal to dislike that kind of behavior, especially in your own home. Second, you'd probably feel terrible if something bad actually happened to your nephew. Third, divorce is hard on everyone.


    I'm sure your brother knows his son is being a monster. He most likely feels guilty for no longer being in the home and feels like the divorce is causing the child to act out. Maybe it is. Your nephew is three--his whole world has just been turned upside down. He may resent your son for having a stable family life, while he's being passed around and being shared. I'm not saying this excuses his behavior, but it may help explain some of it.


    I would sit with my brother and explain that you understand how much him and his children are going through right now, but he's not doing his son any favors by letting him act out and making excuses for it("he's only three"). I'm also guessing at six that your son has grown out of the toys and clothing your son "was kind enough to donate". Come on. Your son was going to keep that stuff forever? I'd be careful that you're not teaching your son to give and expect something in return. Not everyone is gracious when receiving. Your teaching your son to do the right thing and that's what matters. I'm sure your son is well behaved(I know I think mine are-they use manners(yes ma'am, no sir), and very rarely act out), but I'd bet their's someone that is sure their child is much better behaved than yours. I know people that think their kids are angels. They think they're witty, creative and adorable. I think the kids are disrespectful little brats with sarcastic mouths. It kind of goes back to the "you never know just how you look through other people's eyes" and "let he without sin be the first to condemn". I think you've got it.


    You were kind to open up your house to your brother and your nephews. Now, he needs your help. His (ex)wife may have been the one who primarily disciplined the kids, this may be foreign to him. Every parent makes mistakes, and none are perfect. Maybe you could take this as an oppurtunity to teach and coach him. It's tough being a single parent. It's hard to be the fun parent and the disciplinarian. It's tough for the parent and the child. Have patience, it'll all even out. Give your brother and nephews time to adjust. Good Luck!

  • Alatariel40@xanga

    @apgragg@xanga - has very good advice, and is a lot kinder than I would be.

    If I were in that situation, I would have laid down rules. Every broken rule has a consequence. First, the father should know them, then the child. Even in times of stress, we as human beings need rules and boundaries. This child's behavior, as you stated it, is totally out of line. If he continued his outrageous behavior after the rules for 3 year olds was explained (on a 3yo level) then, the consequenses would begin. Time outs, removal of priviledge, whatever seems both appropriate and effective. (My own very strong-willed and ADHD children learned applicable verses from the Bible. If necessary, you could use philosophical statements like the Golden Rule.) If nothing worked, I would tell your brother that the child was causing too much disruption in your household, and recommend a daycare facility. I know that's harsh, but some parents have no ears for their own child's misbehavior. Your own husband and child should come first. Believe me, your own marriage is very important and is under stress!

  • MistressAislin@xanga

    Yeah, it is awful you feel that way.  You should never want any child to get hurt, regardless of the tantrums or lack of sharing.


    Your son GAVE those toys *donated, really, is your nephew a charity or family?* to his cousin, and now they are his.  He SHOULD share, but your brother is his parent, and you have absolutely NO control over how he parents his child.  Just love the child and lead by example.  Your son should be around too, it's amazing how much children will mimic their older family members, he could learn from his good example. 


    They only get to spend one day with their father and with their parents both going through a divorce no wonder he's upset and acting out. 


    You need to stop him from hurting himself or his brother, and you can guide him *GENTLY* into learning how to calm himself down and how to express himself without the tantrums. 

  • cmwcbs10142006@xanga

    In your home, your son comes first.  You're not wrong for feeling the way you do.  You've opened your home up to someone else & they & their children should behave in a way that is appropriate to the rest of your family.

  • feelslikejuly@xanga

    You know, the kid might just be acting like that because his parents are getting a divorce. A three year old is able to realize what is going on and he is probably rebeling because of his unhappiness. Realize, that three year olds don't have the same cabilitities to share as a six year old. Also, you could take a stab at disiplining your nephew---lay down the law of your house. 

  • greenwoman@xanga

    When I first started dating my husband his son (my now step son) was the same way. Every one made excuses for it and so he just got worse. I could tell you some stories. It was terrible.


    Once we were serious I stepped in. I told him he had to either take control of the situation or I was out of there. I could not handle it. We had to make his parents stop picking him up every time he cried and every one learned to tell him no. It was a slow long road to get him to improve but he is soo much better now. He acts so good when he is with us now.


    You need to tell your brother that that behavior is not excepted in your house. State facts. Make him be a parent. Buy him a book or print out some internet articles out. I hope you get it worked out.

  • filtered_sunlight

    I'll feel dirty all day for saying this, but I think MangoWOW might be partly right. Of course your son has more self-control...he's got three years on your nephew. And time erases most-if-not-all memories that our own dear children have done. He is three and his parents are going through a divorce... He doesn't have his home anymore. He doesn't have his mommy and daddy together anymore. He's back and forth every two weeks, so he doesn't have any sort of consistancy. He's three years old and has no idea why these things are happening to him. Those things should not be forgotten while dealing with his behavoir.


    But it should be dealt with. The first few days are always going to be trying because it's very likely that Mommy will still let him run amock, especially if it's a typical divorce and the spouse wants to gee just because the other spouse suggested she haw, but it is possible to work with his father and get his behavoir to improve drastically. If his dad doesn't want to work towards that? Then maybe it is time for him to find his own place. 

  • ProudToBeAChristianFruitcake@xanga

    instead of accusing him of bad parenting, or putting him on the defense, by talking about how horrible his kid has been behaving. Treat this like a marriage of sorts. You both have kid(s) living in this house. So next time that his kids are gone and you have some peace and quiet, sit him down and say something along the lines of


    "As long as we are living together, we need to agree on a set of rules together on how our children should behave"


    and then together, write out a list of rules, and allow him to have an equal say in what is or is not a rule. He has at least as much of a stake in this working out  as you do. Once the rules are drawn up, for the behavior of the kids, and the behavior of parents when the kids misbehave, put the rules in a place where everyone can see them. and since all 3 of the kids are too young to read, both of you should read the rules to them, often so the kids know what is expected of them. You can't blame a kid when the kid misbehaves if the kid doesn't know that what he did was wrong ahead of time.


  • ChaoticEloquence@xanga

    @MangoWOW@xanga - No kidding!

    Hope your nephew gets hurt? It sounds like the 3 year old might not be the only one acting like a 3 year old.

    I hope someone knocks you off your high horse - and soon.

  • Erika_Steele@xanga

    I was about to say the effect of the divorce and things changing for the kid and blah, blah, blah but if your brother justifies everything the child does that is another story.  Your brother needs to be responsible for teaching the kid what is appropriate and what is not.  I think proudtobeachristrianfruitcake gave very good advice.  The two of you need to sit down and agree on house rules and punishment for breaking the rules.

  • cokebottlefigure@xanga

    you're not awful.
    ive wanted to punch my bf's little brother in the mouth before.
    and hes only 4. lol

  • PseudoEuphoric@xanga

    Simple solution: Your house, your rules.

    Tell your brother that if he doesn't control his 3 year old, then you'll have to. Take away toys when he's not sharing. Put him in time-out when he's throwing temper tantrums.

  • PseudoEuphoric@xanga

    @ChaoticEloquence@xanga - You and MangoWOW obviously have never lived with a 3 year old. :| Divorce or not, condoning bullying and bad behavior in general is not okay. Kids are easily influenced and impressionable, few people seem to realize that.

    I absolutely hate it when my brother-in-law's sister & her husband visit with their kids (3, 4 and 9). They scream, trash things, and have even thrown things at my niece (3) and nephew (2). Their parents don't take action.

    Bad parenting is probably why I hear kids screaming at the top of their lungs and making messes in public. Ever think about how those Tiny Terrors are going to be when they're older? Probably not the brightest or best in society.

  • ChaoticEloquence@xanga

    @PseudoEuphoric@xanga - Well first of all we aren't talking about you. Secondly, not that it's your business, but I have a 2 1/2 year old, a 1 year old, and 1 on the way. Aside from that I have been a certified nanny for all ages.

    Where did either f us say anything about condoning bullying? The toddler is acting like a toddler - and so is this author. The point is that her wishing harm on a child because she doesn't condone his behavior is disgusting. On top of that, separating her precious little angel is idiotic. Even if the nephew is troublesome, what does that teach about conflict management and helping others?

    Instead she is showing her son how to be arrogant and selfish. Impressionable? I'd rather live with the "terror" 3 year old than the kind of attitude she is breeding.

  • KelseyLDoll@xanga

    Three is an age of new discovery- they are no longer babies, and want freedom and want to assert themselves. His world has been completely unraveled by this divorce. He doesn't have a regular bed where he lays his little head at night, and if he's picking up on your discomfort and hostility, of COURSE he isn't going to want to sleep. He's probably picking on his brother because he feels helpless, and can feel some control by picking on a weaker sibling. He doesn't have any stability in his life, he can't have Mommy when he wants her, he can't have Daddy when he wants him his world is utterly upside down to him- so that is probably going to manifest in not wanting to share his toys with your children. He is three- sharing is a new concept anyways. 

    This kid sounds like he needs Daddy to see him more often, not less. And Daddy needs to stop feeling guilty, and actually PARENT this child. He's craving structure; by your brother giving in around every corner, he's not going to get the firm parenting he needs to feel SAFE and STABLE.

  • BellaNeiSogni@xanga

    @MangoWOW@xanga -&- @chelseanataliex@xanga -

    Did you read the post, or only the parts needed for your snide comments? As you can plainly see, I made no ill remarks about the younger of my two nephews -- he's actually a sweet baby. And my child is no angel... EVERY child has faults, just as every adult does. But Monster-nephew is the only hateful one of the three -- hitting his baby brother, telling everyone "I don't like you", running around kicking people, snatching things from the other children, etc.

    Perhaps you should re-read the post.

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