Tuesday, 27 October 2009

  • Why Did You Hurt My Baby?!

    Sunday, October 18, 2009 was the day I heard my daughter scream and cry louder and harder than any other time in her life. Even when she was first born or had bouts of colic as an infant.

    I took her to the Children's Hospital of Atlanta on Sunday because I believe she had another ear infection. She had a little cold, and I wanted to get her checked before I took her to the doctor on Friday. These doctors are very good at what they do and very kind, so I had trust in them.

    Mia doesn't like people touching her ears, hair or pretty much her face area. (She thinks she's a queen already) So each time we go to the doctor, it's a little fight to get her to let the doctors check her ears. The doctor got the otoscope and began to check her ears. Mia whined a little but the doctor said, "I have to get some wax out to see better." I just thought to myself, "Ok... I just cleaned her ears yesterday..."

    She gets some little, blue, pointy stick thing and begins to DIG in my child's ear, and Mia begins yelling and kicking. My mother and I had to hold her down as the doctor cleaned her ears. It was THE TINIEST amount of wax she scraped out of her ear. It was completely unnecessary. She checks her ears again with the otoscope and now Mia is screaming. I didn't know what to do but hold her so she doesn't hurt herself.

    The doctor confirms a LEFT middle ear infection and some numbing drops from the nurse & rushes out the room. The nurse puts the dropper in my daughter's LEFT ear and it is bleeding; she looks shocked & rushes out the room. Mia screamed and cried for at least 20 minutes.  At this point, I completely freaked out and thought she ruptured my baby's ear drum. So Monday, I skip all my classes & rushed her to the REAL doctor to get her ear checked. 
     
    Mia's wonderful doctor confirmed her ear drum is fine but she has a very bad ear infection on BOTH ears. She also said the other doctor must have scraped the inflamed tissue of her ear and caused the bleeding & didn't know why the other doctor was cleaning her ear so roughly or at all when she was the child was squirming and restless; the ear infection is so noticeable, it could be visibly seen regardless of cleaning the wax out or not.
    Why this other doctor could not tell me the truth or what she did wrong, I will never know...

    So, now my daughter is traumatized from anything coming near the left side of her head. A toy, a hand, a towel. Its horrible, and I feel so bad because I couldn't do anything to help her from the pain because I didn't know what she was doing. 

    Has any bad experiences happened to you at the doctor? Should I address the doctor about not telling me of her actions causing my child's ear to bleed?

Comments (69)

  • gwacemom

    The only time I have had a real issue with a doctor was in the ER one evening. My pediatrician sent us there because it was a holiday weekend. My daughter was running a high fever and had been unable to hold anything down for two days.


    We get to the local Childrens Hopital and finally get seen. The moment Doogie, I mean the doctor, came in my daughter tossed her cookies. He stepped back out of the room and told ME he would be back when I had cleaned up the mess. Even the nurse looked shocked.


    The entire time he is examining her she is squirming. She was 18 months old and they were cathing her for a urine sample. He kept yelling (and I mean yelling) at me to old her still. I was doing everything but sitting on her at that point. It was then that I demanded he leave and get me another doctor. He refused and diagnosed her with an ear infection. On Monday I took her to her normal doctor and he found  no signs of ear infection. She had some bacterial stomach thing.


    I did file a complaint with the hospital in regards to the doctor on the advice of my pediatrician. I have no clue if anything came of it, but I felt better.


    Hope your daughter feels better soon.

  • Erika_Steele@xanga

    I am really, really, REALLY sorry that happened to you.  Nothing bad has ever happened to my son so far, and we go to a teaching hospital.  If this is not your normal doctor, and you do not plan to go back to the clinic, it isn't worth the effort.  If your daughter's hearing and ears are fine, I just wouldn't go back there.  I might complain to the hospital/clinic, but I woudn't bother with a doctor that I will never see again.

  • filtered_sunlight

    I've no love for doctors. I had at least three talk to me like a was a whiney idiot that couldn't just take some tums and suck it up while they wrote gallstones off as heartburn when what I was discribing and where I was having the pain should have sent up red flags to them, so instead I needlessly suffered with the pain for almost a decade and almost didn't go to the hospital when I did...which could have become life threatening. And that's just my most recent run-in. Aurgh.


    I wouldn't waste my breath calling her out on it. I can almost completely promise that she won't take responsibility for her actions. It's more likely that she'll claim you should have cleaned your daughter's ears better and you'll just end up even more torqued off at her. I'd just move on with life and not see that particular doctor again since she clearly doesn't know what she's doing.

  • Fairywife@xanga

    I would be so mad. Mostly because they didn't mention what they had done. I would have said something right then. And then I'd be even more angry when I would have found out that the ear infection was obvious.

    My daughter has a very sweet doctor. If Jacey is wiggling too much to have her ears checked then she'll avoid sticking anything in her ear until she stops moving. Even when she's had an ear infection, they would just look in and confirm it. But they've never tried to clean it out or anything.

  • XxFireXboltxX@xanga

    I nearly hit the eye doctor the other day. My son was born with a dermatoid cyst in his left eye and we had to take him to the eye doctor. The pediatric specialist was sick so instead of rescheduling, they just put us with another doctor.

    Um....has anyone TRIED to get a three month old to hold their head still while you shine a bright light in their eyes. No...and this doctor was furious that Andrew wouldn't be still or open his eyes. I was so mad when I left there. I wanted to kick him down the hall on the stupid rolling stool he was sitting on. He actually tried to TIE down Andrew's head to the table and wanted to use anesthesia to get him to be still. ARE YOU CRAZY?? I told him to forget it and we would reschedule with the pediatric doctor.

    That was a week later and it went much better. No yelling or screaming. Ugh.

    I hope your little girl is okay!

  • Zlamanakobieta@xanga

    You should ABSOLUTELY call the doctor on it. And put a complaint in writing to the supervisors.


     I wish I had time to get into the countless complaints I have with doctors,but it would take days. The problem is is that these doctors aren't reported when they make mistakes. Ear infections can spread and turn into so many other things. Definetely call them on it. Theres no reason that that ear should have been bleeding.You would really have to scrape it, and your daughter would have indicated the pain level increasing. Doctors who cant tell what a child is communicating have no business working with children

  • BoStOnIaNMoMmY@xanga

    what the hell is this doctors problem, is she new or something because it deffnitly sounds like she had no idea what she was doing. i would have went back to the hospital and told her i thing about herself expecially when it comes to my child so the next time she will think twice about scrapping something out of a childs ear.


    Ive never had any run in with my my kids doctors, my kids doctors normally tell me and explain to me what they are going to do before they do it so that way i will know whats going on and why they are doing it. i think u and for other parents you should ask dctrs what they plan on doing and exiaclly what they are doing before they do it that way u can stay in the loop.


    Sorry you had to go through that with that damn horrible doctor.

  • Lilpinkbunny@xanga

    How stupid is she to not see that you daughter was hurting?  Maybe she thought that your daughter was just being bratty or something, but regardless, you need to file a complaint with the hospital.  There is no excuse for that and I would have shoved that pointing little thing in her freaking ear!!!

  • august_has_fallen@xanga

    I dont care much for the doctors we've had. Trust me, Ive had no problem switching around and Im about to do so again. The current pediatricians office we go to in almost comically incompetent. It was also this office where I had a nurse be awfully rude to me and my daughter all because she had to reprick my four year old daughter to check her iron level (after she promised her she wouldnt have to again) and she couldnt get blood from her and kept squeezing her finger hard and my daughter was upset and so the nurse got rude with us and I pretty much told the nurse to back off or things wouldnt be near as calm as they were. I cant for the life of me understand why some people choose a profession dealing with children when they dont understand them at all.
    This current doctor also talks to me like Im an idiot, when in fact, Im the one who's well informed and shes not.

  • alaskamommy@xanga

    Not saying what the dr. did was right, but sometimes an ear infection that is not obvious one day becomes extremely obvious a couple of days later.  I've had drs. tell me this many times with my kids, but I usually let them know that even if it looks slightly like an ear infection, we are going to treat because I know that it will be a lot worse looking a couple of days later.  Also, the last ear infection my daughter had caused her ears to bleed.  But if the bleeding began right then, I would definitely think it was because the dr. was too rough.  Maybe you should have asked the nurse to ask the dr. to come back in and explain why her ear was bleeding all of the sudden.

    But yeah, at this point, there isn't too much you can do about it except make sure you know who the dr. is so you never get them again!

  • bubbelcat

    Ugh!  I'm sorry you had such a lousy experience.  My cousin and another cousin's wife are doctors and we have a couple of nurses in the family too.  The thing is they are only human and some of them truly suck.  I mean someone had to graduate at the bottom of their class and just barely pass their boards right?  In general I think most people give too much authority to doctors and don't realize that you can ask 4 doctors to examine the same thing and get 4 different dxs.  And it is true ear infections can flame up considerably in just 24 hours but if your daughter is squirmy and freaked then they shouldn't even try to put ANYTHING in her ear!  Ugh.  This is why I still drive 45 minutes to the ped. we've had for 10 years rather than changing.  It can be such a crap shoot, especially in the ER where you're also likely to get residents.  Write a letter to the hospital admin.  It may not change anything but at least you've gotten it off your chest.

  • Alatariel40@xanga

    Why was the doctor sticking anything in her ear and scraping? Wow. Repeatedly and with emphasis, doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals have told me never to do such a thing. They themselves followed through by squirting a warm mix of peroxide and water or just warm water in my ear to remove wads of wax. Incredible.

    The scariest thing that happened to me and my child was in recovery at midnight. An orderly was getting off work and decided to flirt with the nurse watching my darling. Well, a bubble appeared in my little sweetie's IV, but the nurse was totally distracted. (I've watched a number of murder mysteries where the cause of death was air injected into an IV.) I had to speak up and ASK if that was supposed to happen. She jumped to stop it, and the orderly quickly left. I never heard anything else about it.

    Can anyone tell me if I was right to be upset? Did you report your bad experience?

  • MsKittyCatty@xanga

    My mom went to a clinic to check a rash she had on her arm. After a ridiculous fee we waited forever, and then we found out we'd be seeing a nurse practitioner, not a doctor. wth? Well, we get in there and the doctor looks at it and is sper confused. My mom is like "I don't know if it's a bite, a reaction to plants, or shingles..." And the nurse just kept saying "uh huh, could be, coud be," while frowning. Then she perscribed some stuff without ever telling us what it was (b/c she didn;t know). Mom then went to an actual doctor, who glanced at it, said "Poision Oak" and prescribed some steriod creme to rub on it. It took less than 5 minutes.

  • sugartomyhoney@xanga

    @MsKittyCatty@xanga - some nurse practitioners are much better than some doctors.  As a matter of fact sometimes I prefer them.  But I had a terrible rash all over my body once that started at my head and worked it's way down.  The doctor at the after hours office (weekend) told me I may have measles!  Measles!  Really!  NOT!  It went away bottom to top.  I was taking a sulfa drug at the time for an ear infection and although the doctor didn't relate it to that, all my charts now say allergic to sulfa drugs!

  • averyswife@xanga

    @MsKittyCatty@xanga - Most nurse practitioners (RNs) are just as competent as "real" doctors...they just don't have the exact same credentials.  Some RNs are bad, just like some doctors are bad, but I tend to have better experiences with RNs because they actually LISTEN and aren't as stuck up and sure of themselves as doctors.

  • averyswife@xanga

    @sugartomyhoney@xanga - HAHA, we were totally on the same wave length there!

  • Daisy86162@xanga

    That is horrible!  I haven't had a dr. do anything quite that traumatizing (when it wasn't necessary) but one Thanksgiving weekend we took my son to the ER because we thought he had a shunt malfunction.  We went in and told them what we suspected but they sent us home and said it was just a virus...  Why I didn't think to demand a CT scan or shunt series, I don't know.  Sure enough, Dec. 7 we were rushed to the hospital because his shunt was completely broken.  It just snapped somehow.  So, my son went weeks in horrible pain..   But, I suppose that just about as much my fault as it is the Dr.'s...

  • Daisy86162@xanga

    @Alatariel40@xanga - If you ever have to take your child to an ENT, they'll scrape the ear canal out to clean it.  My son had it done when he was right around 12 months and it was completely painless. Dr.'s tell patients not to stick things in their ears so that they don't puncture the ear drum.

    I have also seen and freaked out about bubbles in my son's IV.  They always tell me that it's not a big deal unless it's a large bubble that will pop a vein.  Still makes me nervous and I still always ask about it.  I'm sure nurses hate that... 

  • Alatariel40@xanga
  • firetyger@xanga

    I think you should file a complaint and definitely never go back there.

    The one time I can think of a similar thing happening to me was when my oldest was twelve months old.  The pediatrician wanted a blood sample from her for some reason (never explained why) and they had me hold her down while the nurse pricked and squeezed the sole of her foot...for an hour.  She kicked and screamed the whole time.  I didn't realize it had been that long until we left.  I was livid.  There was no excuse for them doing that to her for a freaking hour.  Her foot hurt for days after that.  And it had just been a routine appointment - I highly doubt the blood sample was necessary.

    Some doctors/nurses are complete imbeciles and should never come anywhere near children...or the rest of us.

  • they_call_me_steffyjean@xanga

    Remember that a child's ear is extremely small, and the slightest bit of wax could cause a blocked view. Granted the doctor could have been a little more gentle, but we all make mistakes.  Maybe you should ask the doctor why they made the decision they made, but don't be completely upset because doctor's do things for reasons we may not fully understand.

  • x__RainOnHerParade@xanga

    Everyone makes mistakes, but doctors need to own up when they do something wrong. How horrible.


    I, personally, had a horrible encounter like this. On the bridge of my nose is a hole and only one hair (used to) grow out of it, until the time I was about 4 years old. My mom wasn't sure if I would like this strange birthmark when I was older, so she took me to the doctor to get it checked out. This is one of my earliest memories: a huge needle coming at me straight between the eyes. I screamed, I cried, I begged him to stop, and my mom told him she didn't feel comfortable with this, but he continued anyway and shoved this gigantic needle into my nose. I'm not sure what the procedure was supposed to be; all I remember is the huge needle. But according to my mom, he never actually told her what he was doing, and all he ended up doing was making the hole bigger, so that today I have several hairs growing from the hole.


    It's not an unattractive birth mark; it makes me feel unique. The hair isn't long, as long as I keep it plucked, and it's not that noticable. However, doctors need to be more upfront with their patients.far more serious things than either of our stories can happen from doctor ignorance and/or carelessness.

  • a12906@xanga

    @Alatariel40@xanga - I'm sorry, but you should've had that bitch fired. We all make mistakes, but not like that.

  • anonymous

    you people have absolutely no idea what it is like being a doctor. the pressure to cram in about a million more patients per day, dealing with all the paperwork, student loans, ever present threat of a frivolous lawsuit. and competition with peers is enough to drive anyone mad. throw in a few idiots with google or webmd who think they can do your job better than you can, and it makes for a shitastic day. everyone messes up. its human. cut your doc some slack, without them we'd all be dead. and your squirming brat survived with just a little ear bleeding. go watch a kid endure a few rounds of chemo, and then tell me that your kid suffered.

    god people today have no intestinal fortitude. and i regret choosing medicine as my future profession.

  • princess1505angel@xanga

    @Alatariel40@xanga -  Depends on the bubble.  Little air bubbles get in IV lines all the time.  It takes a fair amount to actually hurt you.  An adult or large child would need pretty much their entire line to be full of air to be dangerous, but I still stop and suck them out if they get more than an inch long.  It's rare that bubbles that big ever make it through the pump (which will alarm and pause if it detects air). 
    The biggest problem comes when families start hitting the "resume" button when the pump alarms because they get sick of hearing it.  If you hit "resume" enough times sometimes you can allow air to get through that the pump would have otherwise stopped.  Which is why you shouldn't touch the IV pump unless you've been trained on it.


    @averyswife@xanga - RN =/= nurse practitioner.  NPs/ARNPs have a masters or doctorate degree, RNs only have a bachelors or associates degree.  All nurse practioners are RNs but not all RNs are nurse practitioners.  RNs cannot diagnose or prescribe medications, you need at least a MSN (masters of science in nursing) to do that.  But thanks for sticking up for RNs


    @leighanna - Just because the ER gets abused doesn't mean those patients should suffer any roughness from us, especially when they are children (who aren't even the ones who chose to visit the ED instead of the urgent care or pediatrician). 
    It's natural to get frustrated when you see really desperate kids (the chemo, transplant, diff breather, or multiple trauma etc. patients) not getting the help they need because the ED has 30 kids (not counting the ones in the waiting room) with a fever, cough, sore throat, or ear ache soaking up resources BUT you can't take it out on the kids.  (Or their parents who are often just scared.....though sometimes are legitimately and knowingly abusing the system....still.)


    But it's true.  We've all had bad experiences with healthcare, and we always will, regardless of the system, because it's manned by human beings.  I think the number of lawsuits is ridiculous:
    I almost bled to death internally because of something that was missed by a number of practitioners and two hospitals, resulting in emergency surgery and the removal of an important (but not essential, clearly) organ.  With all that, I never even considered suing anyone or even reporting the doctors who missed it.  Instead I signed over my CT scans to be used to teach future health care workers how easy it is to miss things when you assume or are in a hurry.


    We need to work together to make the healthcare industry better, not make it harder to practice in it.  @a12906@xanga

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