Thursday, 20 August 2009
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Traumatizing our babies?
I read an article found in a toddler magazine about infant masturbation yesterday. I was a bit startled that they would use that word for the actions I admittedly have seen my toddler do normally. It was worded well and simply said it was natural and self exploratory. They said that it was normal for a toddler to have an orgasm and that it "made them more calm."
I was amazed and a bit grossed out. Then they went on to to talk about how, if you stopped them from playing with themselves, they would be traumatized and be ashamed of their bodies. The same article finished by saying that the only real problem was teaching them when to do it and when not to.
I know that teens do it, and most adults do too, but if you tell them no, will they really be traumatized?
I think these doctors make a big fuss out of something that isn't really that big of a deal. I read an article at one point that said if you tell a child not to scream they would grow up ashamed of their voices and be shy and intimidated by self expression.
Do all these doctors really know what they are talking about or is it all just another run of that psychological mumbo jumbo they use to control us. Some of us older moms remember the whole "he'll have a complex" bull they tried pushing on us before. It didn't matter what you did, something would inevitably give them "a complex" later in life and you'd be to blame.
If I potty train my son or go to the bathroom while he is in the bathtub he's going to be traumatized. If my husband spanks him for grabbing my chest or sticking his tongue in my mouth, he'll be traumatized and wont' be able to french kiss or will develop an unnatural negativity towards breasts! I'm getting fed up and a bit skeptical!Do you think these doctors have any kind of real idea of what is truly going on inside our kids? Are we really going to screw them up if we enforce rules about touching, talking, and other things? Are there really going to be life long issues because we say, NO!?
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That's fucked up.
I can't imagine why a parent would want to tell their child not to do something that is hardwired into all humans.
Toddlers orgasming? That sounds....strange and I didn't think they would be capable of it.
What article were you reading? They better hush up about it before some real perverts try doing shit to a toddler and use the defense that this article told them it would calm them...
True, I was masterbating at a young age, but...definitely not having orgasms.
Well, whenever my Mom caught me masturbating she would say it was "Dirty" "Not nice" , she NEVER explained to me what it was. For years I grew up trying to stop myself from it- and feeling guilty that I was doing something horribly wrong- but I enjoyed it and didn't stop.
When I was about 10 I learned of the word "masturbation" and realized OH- that's what that is! Then I couldn't understand why a school health text book talked about it if it was this terrible thing. All very confusing for me as a kid.So yeah, if a parent doesn't handle the situation right- it could in a way traumatize the kid. Teach them to play with themselves in their bed- not around others- and of course nobody else can touch them but themselves. Simple.
@PoetMcChick@xanga - agreed, this article will unfortunately end up back firing on all these doctors when child molesters use it as an excuse.
@PoetMcChick@xanga - People do shit to toddlers anyway, and sometimes use similar excuses.
I'm not ashamed of my body, and I know my mom never let me touch myself, and i also know I experimented with bodies when I was a very young child, just out of curiosity... and to be completely honest I don't masturbate and have only once and wasn't into it, but I do like sex and am not at all ashamed of my body...so I don't really think it's traumatizing...
@SarahAriella@xanga - Exactly.
Unless you have some kind of Puritanical issues, I really don't see the harm in teaching the kid to do that alone instead of in front of others. Explain that it's a private act. I would much rather my daughter stimulate herself than let a little boy down the street experiment while playing doctor or something. I'll never understand the shame stigma attached to sexual gratification. It's like making someone feel bad for sneezing or coughing.
All kids are curious about their bodies and their parents tell them no so they know they cant walk into walmart with their hand in their pants. or go to school and think its ok to touch another kid somewhere thinking its ok.
As long as you tell your kid when its appropriate to "explore" and when not to, I don't see what all the fuss is about. The doctors are probably trying to justify why some virgin brides are so afriad to have sex once they are married or why people turn to porn or something... whatever...
I, in fact, used to do it in my sleep (perhaps I still do, my boyfriend never complains if I do!) and one time I was sleeping in a living room at a friends house when we were on vacation. I woke up to my mom slapping my arm. She never spoke to me about it. I think I was 10 at the time.
@sweetsorrows314@xanga - I never knew kids could orgasm. I was fairly sure they had to have some type of sexual maturity. The things you learn nowadays...
@a12906@xanga - Yeah, they might. But this kind of puts it out there for the rest of the world...including the ones who wanted to but was only looking for an excuse. There it is. :(
I don't know about toddlers touching themselves, but too many people believe that telling a child no about anything and not letting them do exactly what they what has lead us nowhere except having lots of bratty kids that rule the family. Within reason it's okay to allow kids to do things, but there are some things that kids shouldn't do, no matter how much they want too, no matter how much of a fit they throw, because it isn't good for them or they are too you to experience that just yet. Telling kids NO has never HURT them unless you only tell them NO and never let them do age appropriate things that are also safe and healthy for them.
Telling your child no about something...I cannot see how that is going to traumatize a child.
Making them stop touching or exploring their bodies is not going to traumatize them into being ashamed of their bodies. Society takes care of that later on. ;)
I can't say that I think their saying those things about a toddler's exploration of their body being normal is wrong and stupid. But, it sounds to me like this is also just another way to tell parents how to parent.
Really, I think some of these doctors out there must have a gambling pool going out there on what the most ridiculous thing they could say would be, and how many people would believe it because it came from a doctor. And sometimes, I also wonder what GPA these doctors graduated with...
It IS weird, and it IS uncomfortable.. So very, very uncomfortable to think about.. becuase its your kid.However, everything Ive ever heard or talked with other moms about.. it IS really natural and normal. Im not going to tell my kid(s) to stop. Im pretty sure my daughter was exploring herself once in her room.. shes four.. it made me feel weirded out, but she was in the privacy of her own room and im not going to tell her its bad, because its really not. I dont know if it would traumatize them to tell them not to, but Im not going to.. because as weird as it may be.. its normal.
The article was part of the "Huggies" parent newsletter. Yes it's scary about the child molesters. I think that the truth is they aren't having an "orgasm" but instead the idea that they are "self stimulating." I know that at such a young age the ability to produce sperm isn't possible, but I could be wrong. It is akward because I will change my son and he'll be at "full salute" especially in the morning and instantly that's where his hands go. I made a game and close and open his diaper which keeps him from touching himself. He laughs so hard, because he's just getting used to feeling the air down there. lol. I'm sure some people would say I'm sick or something but it's not like I'm touching him or anything. I say, "open" and "close" when we're done cleaning up. I don't think he associates it with sexuality at all. It also helps him realize that he's got something there and in his own time, he'll figure it out. I don't think it's dirty, i think he's exploring his body the way God intended us to. Pretty much every baby does it.
@sweet11321@xanga and @PoetMcChick@xanga - I once babysat a five-year-old and, to my shock and horror (I was barely 16 at the time!) he had an orgasm while in the bathtub.... (it sure looked like sperm to me..) He looked at me all "look! How cool is that?", too. I was still a virgin at the time, so it was a little, uhm uncomfortable for me to see that. I think maybe his parents should have taught him not to do that in front of the sitter...
My son plays with himself in the tub all the time (he's two) - I consider it normal behavior at this age, but when he's a little older, I will ask him to please do that when he's alone. I don't want our sitter to be in that situation..
Apparently I was part of the infant masturbation demographic, and my mom spanked me every time she caught me at it. She never told me what it was, only that it was wrong. I didn't find out that it was even called masturbation until I was nearly sixteen, I think. Living with that guilt for that many years though really wasn't healthy, and I REALLY recommend only teaching your child the appropriate time and place for such an activity- not punishing them.
Infants do not understand the concept of masterbation and it may help calm them down. I don't see anything wrong with it because it is self exploration at that age. However, when the child is older, parents should sit down and talk about self-control and where and when the act is appropriate and when it is not.
Well, you are either going to teach your child how to act appropriately or not. Its up to the parents do define appropriate for a kid.
If you are okay with masturbation, then you teach a child that the private parts are exactly that- PRIVATE. They aren't bad, the act isn't bad, its just not something you share willy-nilly and its rude to play with yourself in public places. The idea is that you build on that "private" concept as they grow older, and that sharing of that privacy is a HUGE deal, not to be done willy-nilly. Private is special, private is extremely personal. Private does not mean bad or dirty.
If you think masturbation (or self stimulation) is never appropriate to do, then you'll tell your child never to do it. You'll probably never have to explain why, but if you do, I have no idea what you'd say. The consequence of punishing them for such a natural act will most likely result in a child being confused as to whether sexual function is good or bad.
Some kids are fine with that and can deal with the "dirtiness factor", though I think they never can REALLY enjoy sex. Thats just my opinion though. Other kids are left to figure out the private factor alone (um, but not alone).
Honestly, the article would never be published if parents didn't have hang-ups about self-stimulation. Comparing the subject of sex and the human body to say punishments for misbehaving is like comparing apples and oranges. Sex is such a huge part of life, and any small dysfunction causes so many problems later in life. Its not like learning not to color on the wall or to say please and thank you. Those lessons are easy. The consequences are rather simple.
The consequences to sex and its acts are so far from simple, even if you do your best to make your kid comfortable with their bodies. Its not really something you stop learning or dealing with. I don't write on walls anymore or stick a grill cheese in the dvd player, but I do masturbate and have sex often.
Thank goodness my mother never told me my vagina was dirty or bad because I love my orgasms!!
I remember when I was 5 or so I was taking a bath with my sister (she's 2 years older) and we were comparing our...umm...lady parts. Just to be like, "what's THIS? Is that NORMAL? Do YOU have that TOO?" And our mom came in (why wasn't she watching us in the first place?...whatever) and immediately scolded us for being so "dirty" and "wrong" and for asking questions about our bodies. In this and other similar ways, we were raised to be ashamed of our bodies, and even though we have since realized this, it still impacts us today. At 18 and 20, we hate our bodies and I know that I personally cannot comfortably look at myself naked, or change my clothes in front of my boyfriend of 2 years. I can't even have an orgasm.
I say, everything in moderation-except puritan values. Those...just, no.
I dont think I said that right. Or even got my point across.