Monday, 20 July 2009

  • I Am The Perfect Parent - Response to "Don't call Social Services on me!" Post

    Mama Ladybug by Mama Ladybug



    Hello, I am Perfect Patty. No matter how tough you think parenting is, I can do it all with my eyes closed, because I am Perfect. I am the mom who tells you how to raise your child, and calls you a horrible parent if you don't do things the exact way that I do,  because...well...I am Perfect!

    If you are a parent, you should take all my advice, because if not, you won't be perfect like me. I know all there is to know and then some, and I tell you this all the time.

    Do you know parents like this? The ones who call you on what they think is bad parenting? The ones who tear up at the thought of saying "No, Suzie you cannot have cookies before dinner." Or the ones who think a smack on the rear is "Child Abuse" and cause for Government action? These kinds of parents make me cringe.

    I wrote a post about a week ago that was posted on Momaroo. In the post it says I resorted to pinching my 2 year old on the leg after trying other ways to calm her public Temper Tantrum.

    So what?

    The SuperMom Club all strapped on their Bottles of Breast milk and jumped in their minivans. They are vicious when they're in attack mode.

    I cannot count how many commenters stated that I am a bad parent for pinching my daughter. Really? A pinch equals bad parenting? What about all the real child abusers? I highly doubt they pinch. What about the moms who abandon their children or the fathers who beat them everyday?

    Some mothers really disappoint me. I'll tell you a secret someone once told me.



    So, please stop pretending. Behind all of your computers, you do something differently than I do. You all raise your children how you feel is right, and I do the same.. I will never tell another mother she is a bad parent for simply carrying out a different approach than I would.

    The next time you as a parent judge another parent's parenting skills, do me a favor and Don't. Look in the mirror and take notes on what You can change. Because I doubt your skills are squeaky clean.

    Remember how respectful we were to our parents? Things just aren't the same with ours. Why? Because we are afraid of our government when it comes to raising our babies. We cannot say "You're going to get it" when our kids act up in the store because the lady in line hears it and thinks its code for  "I'm going to kill you". We aren't allowed to smack on the butt when our children talk back, because that is reason for Police Involvement. We cannot under any circumstances have a mark on our kid's bodies because it automatically means we beat their asses. Who cares that they are kids, and get hurt outside, or jumping on the bed?

    I have never met a Perfect Parent, I'm not sure why but I'm pretty sure that none exist. Please stop pretending The Perfect Parent is You.

    Do you know parents that think their ways are perfect? Has Anyone called you a bad parent?

Comments (94)

  • bluedreamer85@xanga

    My mother has her moments...she's done so much worse...
    Looking back, a lot of people would say she is a horrible mother...
    But in the end.  I came out fine ~right? (well...not perfect...but I'm good)

    Mothers have their own methods, just because circumstances are different.  We all need to accept that everyone is different.

    and that you are only a bad mother if you run your car into a river with your children still buckled in, just because you wanted them to settle down.

    If we all can at least agree on that....

  • Schristian@xanga

    Absolutely. God forbid anyone ever makes a mistake. I wouldn't fret too much. The detractors obviously have no clue what reality is like.

  • viarah@xanga

    i chose not to comment on the other post because I had a few opinions going both ways, I could care less you pinched your daughter I wouldn't do it myself however but that didn't bother me.  Anyhow in response to this one, I think you should have thought through the comments you would get making a post like that, if you didn't want the negative response for whatever reason.  I don't really see the need for a retaliation post I'm sure nobody who posted negatively thinks that they're a perfect parent you can tell this by reading most of thier own xangas its just an opinion in which they have on this particular issue.  Same goes for anything else really, they may do something that you would quietly judge them for.  Its how it works, I myself know I'm not the perfect mother but I catch myself judging other mother for silly little things and not because its necessarily wrong its just not how I choose to parent thats all.

  • ShamrockLover@xanga

    I'm definitely not a perfect parent.  I also want to apologize for leaving such a harsh comment on your other post.  I honestly did not mean to sound judgmental.  Not to make excuses, i was in a bad mood and that post hit a nerve so i lashed out.


    But i also want to say that it wasn't the pinching that bothered me.  It was the fact you took a tired 2 year old to a restaurant expecting her to behave.  I think it was asking too much, that's all.  Again, i'm sorry for saying some really vicious things.

  • SnowFrog@xanga

    When my two year old was repeatedly biting me, after being told no, distracted, given numbing gel for her mouth (in case it was teething), spending time with her reading and playing (in case it was inattention on my part), being told no, and don't do that repeatedly (in one sitting) and tapped lightly on the end of her nose with one finger while telling her "no, don't bite, biting is mean and it hurts", I finally "Flicked" her with my forefinger on the nose. This elicited some tears  and a wail, but left no marks and she was fine moments later. It also stopped her biting me for a LONG time. Still, I felt Horrid and that if anyone found out I was sure they would call CPS. I finally divulged what I did to some other moms I know and they all said that what I did wasn't a capitol offense and since it worked, and none of the rest did, it must have been what she needed. I no longer feel guilty. And I do my very best not to judge other parents and their styles.

    Unless I see something Overtly Abusive, I will not be calling the cops on anyone because they spanked their kid or told them they "were going to get it".

    I think we need to get back to the days when kids respected adults more, even if that means and occasional swat on the butt.

  • LiberalArmyWife@xanga

    "The SuperMom Club all strapped on their Bottles of Breast milk and
    jumped in their minivans. They are vicious when they're in attack mode"

    Not to fan any flames, but making jabs like this doesn't help your argument. I'm sure you didn't mean anything by it and it's a really funny visual. I just find that reducing the opposing side to a caricature (TM Obama) doesn't solve anything. I did see the baby-pinching post. And I'll admit, it made me angry. But I didn't think for a second that "this lady is a terrible mother". I thought "she must have been having a rough day". It happens. I understand that some parents think it's necessary to spank. What I don't like is the, "Yeah I hit her/him! So what?!" chest-pounding attitude. It honestly worries me that someone could hit a child and feel absolutely no remorse. That my opinion and I'm sticking to it. You're entitled to yours. Why is it that anyone who has a differing opinion should be silenced? As long as I'm not plotting to kidnap your kids while you sleep, my views are just as valid.

    Pro-spankers jumped my shit for the anti-corporal punishment post I wrote recently. Most of them were completely rude, disrespectful, and a few other words I'd rather not type out. It seems that the only opinion that's welcome in the Momaroo community is one that's in favor of spanking or one that attacks mothers who aren't. What frustrates me most are posts like yours (no offense, just giving an example) that poke at an opposing view while asking for consideration and compassion on account of "we're not perfect". It's not consistent and it reminds me of something mean girls used to do in middle school. They write crazy stuff about you on the walls, gossip about you, etc and the one day you decide to call them out for having thick ankles, an extremely bad hairline or a terrible weave job, they're telling a teacher that you're harassing them. Can dish, but cannot take.*shrugs*

  • LiberalArmyWife@xanga

    @SnowFrog@xanga - This is a perfect example. You did all the right things and they didn't work, so you did what you had to do. Flick. Problem solved. She cried, but she got over it. You felt bad, but you really didn't have a choice. It happens. I don't think you're a terrible mother for that and I think that's the point that the firing squad missed on my anti-hitting post. You did everything you could, and you felt bad about the outcome. You didn't feel like you had some Divine Right to thump her.

    Not that you need any validation from me at all, but I just wanted to let you know that I'm completely against negative physical contact of all kinds, but I wouldn't throw tomatoes at you over that one.

  • rekindled_soul@xanga

    @viarah@xanga - Anyhow in response to this one, I think you should have thought through the comments you would get making a post like that, if you didn't want the negative response for whatever reason.


    That is exactly what I was thinking!


    And to add to what viarah@xanga said, you can't expect to post something on a public website and only get positive feedback. It sounds to me like you wanted praise for how you handled it and don't care what other opinions are unless they are the same as yours.


    Regardless of how I felt about your last post (pinching isn't how I handle things, but I don't think you're a bad mother for doing so), I find it extemely annoying that you are upset about the negative feedback.



  • JessxMaxine@xanga

    who has never spanked, smacked, hit their kid?
    not BEATEN. but simply hit by acting up?

    my aunts did the whole time out thing and their kids turned into monsters.
    at least when us, when we knew we would do something wrong, we were gonna get spanked for it.
    so we thought against.

    i've to spank my niece's hand when she acts out in public.

    xo

  • Erika_Steele@xanga

    I am thankful I don't know any of those perfect moms in real life.  They seem to only exist on-line.  I think a few of the comments were a tad judgemental, but I always take the attitude that those people are most likely trolls.  Other of the posts had valid points, like trying to get a  2 year old to sit still after 8 hours of shopping is asking too much.

  • chrissehko@xanga

    i am giving you a virtual pat on the back. go you. :]
    from what i see, you're an amazing mom. :D

  • patrickspeaches@xanga

    I agree on the whole being afraid of the government thing. It has gotten way out of control. Kids need a swat on the butt sometimes. I believe that when the situation needs it, a little physical adjustment is okay. Not all kiddos can be talked into correction. Some need a little more. My three year old is one of those. Does that mean I beat her? NO!! Spare the rod, spoil the child!!! 

  • black_lie@xanga

    thumbs up! though as far as perfect parents go i'm pretty convinced my grandparents are that perfect pair... they raised me and i love them more than anyone in the world =)

  • Kait82521@xanga

    I spank my daughters. I send them to time out. I tell them "no", "stop it NOW", and "you're being a total jerk. Quit it." I swear in front of them and sometimes, when she's frustrated, my three year old will say "What the hell!" I take toys away if they won't share nice. There have been days when even after being spanked and sent to time out for fighting, they still end up with literally no toys in their room. I let them eat dirt and I don't always catch them putting their mouths on things like the grocery store cart. I've been known to let them have cookies for breakfast and spoons full of ketchup at dinner time. I let them watch cartoons and Grey's Anatomy, History Channel, and the news with me. I let them run around naked, inside and outside of my house and don't even worry about some dirty pervert eyeballing them.

    I also read to them all the time, snuggle with them constantly, tell them I love them several times a day. I take care of them, talk to them, and let them play and be kids.

    I don't know how we all got this notion that a perfect parent requires being a hug it out/all organic food all the time/germaphobic/Susie Homemaker. Nobody is perfect. Nobody can be "on" all the time and create this ideal family life where everything is perfect all the time. My house is a mess, we're broke ninety per cent of the time, and sometimes my kids act up. But my husband and I do the very best we can with what we have and we love our daughters. We parent them with what we have gleaned to be the best of our own childhoods mixed with the things we have found that work well for our daughters. I'm not a perfect parent but I do the best I can. I don't really know what more can be asked of anyone.

  • mrsprosa@xanga

    @viarah@xanga -

    @ShamrockLover@xanga -  

    @LiberalArmyWife@xanga - 

    @rekindled_soul@xanga - 

    Negative feedback is received on just about every post of mine as Mamaladybug- no one is going to agree all the time, and I cannot and dont expect to please everyone. But what I wanted to respond to was not just the negative comments -
    It was the disrespect that I recieved. If you go back and look into the comments from my last one, you'll see what I mean. One mother even suggested giving my child up for adoption.

    Like all 3 of you (at some point in your motherhood) I have done something I didnt want to do. I didnt wake up that morning and say, "ya know, Im going to take the baby out to dinner today- then pinch her when she has a tantrum".

    Yes, we were out most of that day, at the park, shopping, and a doc appt. But she took a nap (unlike the claims that I was depriving her of sleep) and just because she's 2 doesnt mean im picking up McDonald's and heading home. She has got to learn somehow and by avoiding sit down dinners altogether isnt going to teach her manners, and consideration.

    Going out to dinner with both my girls is a regular thing, about once a week. They both know how to act and how not to, and to be considerate. yes, she threw a tantrum. All kids do, not just the 2 tear olds. But I handled it how I felt was necessary, and guess what? it worked. She stopped kicking and screaming, apologized to me- and even stayed for dessert.

    @ShamrockLover@xanga - Thank you very much for the apology, I appreciate it.

  • belle_figlie@xanga

    IF PEOPLE DON'T CARE HOW PEOPLE JUDGE YOU AS A PARENT, DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE SAME SUBJECT AND NOT DO SOMETHING TO "BETTER" YOURSELF?

    I had DD1 when I was 16 years old.  Of course I had to deal with all of the drama then.. but I decided to do something to better myself and ignore it.  People don't agree with teenage parents no matter who it is.  People don't agree with people because people just don't fucking agree to begin with...

    I honestly don't see the point, right now.. to bring back personal attacks between people who don't know each other.. I don't agree with the whole bring a kid out to dinner after a long day, I could care less about a pinch because I personally DO spank my children and put them into time out.. people have different opinions about crap and everyone is going to create a lot of drama and fuss just because most woman do that.. shit, I do.. I'm a woman and I like to bitch and create drama because to me, it's funny..

    but like seriously.. the same crap is being brought up all over xanga right now and I'd personally like to read nice stories about kids and people and their kids and whatever crazy thing your kid did yesterday or this morning..

    and this whole rant about why people bring the same thing up because they have their panties up their ass too far is not based on the person who MADE this post or the people who didn't like the original post.. just about everyone who feels the need to drag out the same sob story.. if you don't have kids, dont bitch.. if you do, post a story about them and move on.  sheesh.

    the end of my damn rant.
    i woke up on the WRONG side of the bed this morning.

  • RaisingEinstein

    I so hear what you are saying...and there is no way anyone can honestly say that they haven't lost control for a minute...EVER.  I think the thing that's so prickly for me is that in those moments when we as parents have a temper tantrum and physically discipline our kids...we aren't seeing what we are actually TEACHING our kids.  I can't tell you how many times I've seen a parent smacking their kids hands while saying "we don't hit!".  That's just hypocritical! It's teaching them that hitting is what you do.  If you pinched and it stopped the behavior, you're in a unique situation.  Most children would have wailed even louder...then what?  And what will you do next time?  OR what will you do when you or her siblings are upsetting her and she pinches them?  After all, you did teach her that as an acceptable correction method.



    Look, you're a great mother, no doubt...your children are blessed to have you.  I just think it's fair to admit (especially if we are naming the elephant in the room of imperfection) that when we hit our kids...that's OUR lack of control/ temper tantrum/ release of stress...whatever...feeding theirs.  Talking and time out may sound mamby-pamby...threatening to leave and then actually following through may be inconvenient...but it's teaching our kids to get it under control instead of lashing out, which is how we would want them to handle themselves eventually.


    It's not about getting our way...it's about leading their's.  Sometimes that requires a bit more self control than we would expect from our 2 year old.

  • RainRyder24@xanga

    I didn't post on the early comment because pinching your daughter is not that bad. My mother would beat my ass with a homemade leather belt in the bathroom if I didn't behave. Times change, I very rarely spank my daughters when she is misbehaving but I will threaten her in public with it. My husband does too when our daughters act out in the store we first ask them to stop, second we threaten to "spank your butt" and that usually works if it doesn't, well then one of us takes the misbehaving little one out of the store to the car and usually when they realized their are going a spanking at the car they apologize and a good stern talking too always works. I never saw my mother as child abuser but now everyone would. I think it is funny many mothers that often think their perfect and wonderful parents never discipline their childeren and they have little monsters because of it.  

  • enyas_mom@xanga

    I read the pinching post, I didnt comment because I was in a hurry, but I didnt think there was anything wrong with it.  I totaly understand what you are saying being afraid of our goverment.  I was walking down the street with my 3 year old and she started throwing a tempertantrum and of course she happens to do it while there are 2 police officers standing right there.  I should not have to be scared of spanking my child for doing something wrong.  I have never beat my child but she needs to be corrected when she does something wrong.


  • sinpescado@xanga

    I didn't post on the last thing because I didn't, at the time, want to get caught up in the fray.  For the record, I do use corporal punishment according to what the situation calls for.


    The argument has been made that using corporal punishment is the adult losing control or trying to get "their" way.  You know what, for most, corporal punishment is the result of months and years of testing to find out what works for a particular child in specific situations.  As far as it being about the adult getting their way...  That's how the world works.  I had to completely adjust the class I teach last year.  Not because what I was doing was wrong but because a particular person wanted their way.  Did I resist?  Nope, I did it because that person was one of my bosses.  How do I know that I wasn't totally wrong?  Because one of my other bosses had a totally different opinion and in the end, I got to go back to my old class structure because he had a higher position.  I could have fought tooth and nail over the original changes and risked losing my job or at least risked having this assistant principal at my back all the time.  But you know what, while I didn't like the changes and the kids didn't like the changes, it didn't hurt anyone to do it.  Personally, I chose my job over the fight.  I have learned over the years when to give in and let others have their way and when to resist.  This is what we need to let our children know. 


    Sometimes other people are in charge and no matter how much you resist, you won't win - and in fact, you just might lose quite a bit by resisting.  Our kids need to learn how to adapt in these situations and assess when the fight is worthwhile.  I know this sounds awful - as if I'm teaching my kids to be pliable in all situations - but they do need to learn to determine what is at risk by resisting or not resisting and how to choose the path that works best for them.  It has little to do with my inconvenience much of the time - I'm not that attached to when I buy groceries to worry about the inconvenience.  Let me assure you that if I always left situations my 4 year old thinks are not so much fun when he started whining, he would only learn that if you whine enough you get your way.  If that's what I need to do to prove that I am a pillar of self-control then I'll get right on that and send him your way when he's a spoiled rotten teenager!  I have had classrooms full of early teens who learned this very lesson and trust me, you wouldn't want to spend much time with him if I took this road.


    There is one other argument I wanted to address as well.  The comment was made that we risk teaching our kids that pinching is an acceptable control method.  I can buy that but you have the exact same problem with time outs, other forms of corporal punishment, taking toys or other belongings, etc.  I can't count how many times my kids have tried to put me, each other, other kids, other adults, etc into "time-out" because they didn't like what the other person was doing.  They have tried to take my phone from me when they felt the need to "punish" me for being rude - you know, for telling them to clean their rooms ro go to bed.  While it's not physical and people tend to laugh and think it's "cute" it is nothing of the sort.  It still amounts down to the child trying to exert their will on another in an inappropriate manner or to an innapropriate person (the authority figure).  I also could easily argue that leaving a situation when a child is misbehaving amounts down to when I, as a child, would cross my arms and say "fine, then I won't play" or "I didn't want to play anyway" all while pointing my nose in the air and making a huffing noise.  Can we say temper tantrum?  In fact, they tell us as teachers that the minute you send a child out of your room (that is put them in a timeout of sorts in the office), you have lost control of the situation.  Sorry, but there isn't a single perfect method for discipline - our kids are smart and will nearly always figure out how to use them against us!

  • Shellar@xanga

    I would just like to address the anti-spankers. I was spanked. I was never spanked in anger or in stress though. My parents threw no "temper tantrums" on me. If my parents were angry or stressed at the time they had the emotional maturity to take a hold of themselves and put me in time out until they were completely calm. The time out was more for them than me as I will explain in a moment. Then the spanking paired with a calm discussion of exactly what I had done wrong and how to avoid it in the future followed. Time out alone would not have worked on me since I am a very immaginative and patient person, always have been. I specificaly remember developing my powerful immagination as a rebellion against time out. So when they would try it on me without the spanking I would happily go and happily come out, having enjoyed my so called punnishment. I even dared them to send me to time out telling them of how I would have more fun in my immagination anyway. Seeing this my parents reolised that even taking away my TV (which I figured out how to turn on in seceret since it was too big to simply take out of my room) and not letting me go outside (I was content to sit and read if outside wasn't available) were not seen by me as punnishments but mearly inconveniences of a trivial nature. In the peak of my rebellion I would go by the slogan "You can take away my toys, my freedom, my books, everything, but you can't take away my immagination!" I left them no alternative. Spanking and lectures were the only things that actually succeeded in punnishing me, and I could turn the lectures into lively debates about topics ranging from religion to the Vietnam War. Mom joked that the lectures were more a punnsihment to her because they would last for hours and she couldn't hear the TV, just spank me and get it over with. It should be noted that I am now a successful college graduate who is a Director of Human Resources. (It's nice to have internet while on break) I have never EVER been involved with drugs, I have a successful long term relationship with my beloved, and an EXCELENT relationship with both of my parents despite their recent divorce.


    Many assumptions are made that spankings only occour when the parents are stressed or angry. With mine that simply wasn't the case. Every spanking ended with a hug and reassurance that I was their favorite kid (only kid but whatever) and then nothing more needed to be said about it. In public we wouldn't leave a place, my dad would simply take me outside and spank me and bring me back in when I quieted down. It taught me self control to settle myself down when he started counting. As a result I was well mannered and I think he only got to 3 one or two times before I got the idea. I was able to converse with the adults at a level far beyond my years and was always welcomed amongst them. I never feared my parents as some anti-spanking advocates would point out. And when I knew I was being punished unfairly I had no trouble standing up to them and pointing out the error they had made. Sometimes it even worked.


    Not all kids are like I was. Some might actually feel time out is a punnishment, if so use it. If not then we shouldn't be forced to use a method that doesn't work simply because other people who don't interact with the child on a daily basis don't understand. Not all children respond to the same disciplin in the same way. If physical works then it should be done in a way that lets the child know why it is happening and how to avoid it in the future. The "temper tantrum" that you refer to is not a spanking, it is a beating. The difference between the two is simply the difference in the emotional state of the parent at the time. One is done while calm, the other is done while angry. A child should never be beaten, no matter what they do they don't deserve that and it's counter productive anyway. Spanking, as I have defined it, is quite effective on most kids.

  • august_has_fallen@xanga

    @RaisingEinstein -I couldnt have said it better myself.


    I commented on the last post and didnt agree with the course of action that was taken.
    Perhaps I couldve worded things better because Oh my God I know Im nowhere near a perfect parent and I never mean to imply that I know best.
    The fact that I disagree and wouldve done things different doesnt mean I always do things right.
    It most certainly doesnt mean I think youre a bad parent, because Ive read other blogs of yours and I actually like you and you can tell that you love your children VERY much.
    Just, regarding that post, I wouldnt have pinched my daughter myself, because I wouldve known going into the resturant was a bad idea for the time being and I wouldnt have expected anything different out of the daughters reaction.


    but how about the time I put my 2 month old baby in a computer chair while I moved her bouncy seat to the other side of me really quickly, thinking she couldnt move, and she somehow fell through the arm rails onto the floor.. and the time I didnt realize her hand was in the car when I shut the door at 2 years old?.. or yesterday when at 4 years old she KEPT taking her socks and shoes off and making excuse after excuse as to why she didnt want to wear shoes and after the 4th time of the shoes and socks coming off I basically threw the shoes across the room and laid on the floor like a 4 year old myself and questioning why, WHY must she do this, did she eat a crazy person pill!?


    No, Im not the perfect parent. not at all.

  • rekindled_soul@xanga

    @mrsprosa@xanga - I don't think you read my comment correctly. I said that that is not how I would have handled it, but that I didn't think you were a bad mother for doing so.


    I didn't say anything about how you handled the situation. That wasn't my focus. It just seemed to me that you were complaining about all negative feedback that you received. You are saying that's not the case, that you just don't like the hurtful comments you received. Okay. I can understand that. Fine. Whatever.


    I was just giving you my two cents which is what I assume you want when you post publicly.

  • scrambledmegzntoast@hardestlevel

    I am not a parent, but some of the women here are absolutely vicious and ridiculous. One in particular, who has been featured, is borderline psychotic. She even told me that since I don't have kids (I am 17...not quite time yet) that I don't even belong here and then she made jokes about my mom's death. Apparently only parents belong here, even though Momaroo has featured posts by non-parents.

    As far as their judgments on you, so what? Parents can punish their kids as they see fit as long as they do not abuse them. My parents have spanked me plenty in the past and still will if they think it is necessary but there are a million parents who will scream at them. My dad's response: I have never been in trouble with the law, I am going to Notre Dame starting next month, and I have received all A's since 8th grade. Deal with it...is your kid who never gets spanked the same? It's silly, different parents do different things. If anyone thinks their way is the right way, they need to get over themselves.

  • bgibbs11@xanga

    Don't let anyone tell you there's anything wrong with a pinch or spank now and then. My parents spanked me a few times, and I consider them to be absolutely wonderful parents! So good for you...don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. You're right- everyone does things differently, and when it comes to little things like this, there is no right or wrong. 

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