Friday, 01 May 2009

  • Are Parenting Skills Diminishing More and More as Time Goes By?

    Are Parenting Skills Diminishing More and More as Time Goes By?
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    Yesterday I went to the movies with my boyfriend. We went to see that new Disney presentation 'Earth', therefore there were many children present in the audience with their parents or guardians.

    Let me say first that the sights and sounds of this movie were absolutely amazing ...
    ...however I failed to enjoy it 100% because there were these two young girls a few seats away from me to my left who really did NOT stop talking and making noise throughout the ENTIRE showing. 

    Now I know that kids will be kids no matter what, and they are always whiny and crying in public places, making the veins in peoples' foreheads throb and their teeth grind together...
    Most of us (myself included) are just tolerant and accepting of this because, I'll say it again, kids will be kids!

    This experience at the movies though, really irritated me because at least when you're at church or some kind of seminar and a baby starts fussing and crying, you'll see the Mom or Dad TRYING to calm the kid down, or take it outside so that they can quiet him/her down and not go on disrupting the rest of the event for everyone else.

    These two girls in the row with me, were jabbering on and on non-stop and not even lowering their voices whatsoever, and their mother would not make a single effort to shush them or ask them to be quiet.

    I feel sorry for the people sitting directly below them, because you just tend to hear the talking a lot more when it's right over your head.

    It's not even as though they were LITTLE babies; I'm fairly certain that the oldest was at least 9 or 10 years old, and the younger one 5 or 6. In my day as a little child of that age, all your parents had to do was give you a sharp look and you'd simmer down and pay attention to the movie again.

    Or AT LEAST she could have told them to whisper and not talk so loudly; whenever the movie volume got loud, or the music loudened...
    ...they would RAISE their voices to match the volume!!!

    It was really the most frustrating thing; several times I had to force myself to stay in my seat and not get up to go ask them to PLEASE keep it down, and that there were many people in the auditorium that were having their movie experience ruined because of them.

    Probably I'd have to say it to the mother though, because as I said, she was just sitting there doing nothing about it; just drowning them out, as mothers learn to do after awhile. She could at least have registered the fact that other people kept turning their heads to frown at them?!

    Anyway this unfortunately was not the only example of bad parenting going on yesterday. Another child kept running up and down the empty aisle of seats (he and his mother were seated in one of the VERY front rows that most people try to avoid, so it was empty) and his footfalls were VERY loud and distracting.

    Again, his mother didn't seem to be doing much at all to get him to stop. Not once did I see her wave him over or get up to bring him back to his seat!

    What is going ON with these parents??

    Finally, the last head-shaking example we saw was this mother being CONSTANTLY dragged from her seat by her toddler. I don't know why, but the child kept getting up from her seat (maybe she was bored of the movie?) and making SHRIEKY frustrated sounds while wringing her mother's arm frantically until she rose up from her seat to follow her out to the entrance of the auditorium.

    The mother was pregnant too; all you could see again and again was the silhouette of her bulging belly heading up and down the stairs, again and again and again because she simply WOULD NOT tell her child to stop, and just SIT STILL to watch the movie!

    Seriously, has it become so wrong to just tell your kids to stop doing something that's disturbing others? Are people afraid of others judging them and saying they are bad parents?

    If it had been my mom or dad in any of these situations, they would have handled it SO much better. They would have SHUSHED us if we were jabbering on loudly like those girls; not only that, but I probably would have KNOWN better, too..than to go on disturbing so many people at a movie!

    My parents would have scolded me to STOP running down the aisles and to sit in my seat or else we'd leave if I didn't want to watch the movie. Same goes for the last scenario, if I for some stupid, irritating reason kept jumping up and shrieking at my Mom and yanking her pregnant-self down the stairs, back and forth.

    People comment: Does it seem to you that parents are just becoming more and more loose with their parenting?? If yes, post any examples you've seen!!!

Comments (25)

  • pillowpixies@xanga

    I think so, from what I've seen. I have seen so many bratty kids with parents who do absolutely nothing to try to control them. One time, I was in a doctors office. You typically expect doctors offices to be somewhat quiet. Well, this one was full of kids. This mom was there with her son. Well, her son was a little jerk. This father brought his son in, and the two boys were around the same age. Well, the one who came in last brought a toy with him. Without even asking, Boy #1 grabbed Boy #2's toy! He grabbed it, and started playing with it; pretty much refusing to let the actual owner get it back. The mother, what was she doing? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. The father of Boy #2 told his son to let Boy #1 play with it. Boy #1 totally took over, the actual owner didn't get to play with his toy until the first one (who had hijacked it) went in to see the doctor.

    That same boy also stole somebody's seat, and one of the OTHER patients in the office had to tell him to behave. The mother didn't! That boy was around the age of 7, probably. You'd think she'd be keeping an eye on him. Actually, when someone tried to tell him to be nice, she glared at them.

    Okay, second example. My cousin has two sons. (Yes, one side of my family is horrible at parenting. Pretty much the entire side!) One of them just turned three, the other just turned one. Well, the oldest one used to like throwing things in peoples faces. Hard objects only. He threw a hard ball into someones face. That woman wears glasses, which he almost broke. Everyones response? (minus mine, my moms, etc) They giggled, saying it was cute. CUTE. Cute that he threw something into somebodys face. Luckily that somebody was family.

    Not to mention a ten year old I saw running around into everyone while his mom ignored him.

    I could go on, and on, and on, but it would take all day.

  • disorderedpersonality@xanga

    Oh my gosh yes, people are getting so lax about their kids' behaviors! I've seen kids just toss trash on floors, demand things instead of asking, the list goes on and on. But then, I work with "problem" kids, so maybe its just that I'm not around "good" kids enough.

    I would've walked over to those girls and said something. I'm not at all opposed to letting some know they're being rude. Yes, kids will be kids, but they'll be better kids if you teach them to behave themselves.
  • Mom2Be

    Yup, I totally see where you're coming from with this post. My brain is too tire at the moment to come up with any example that I've seen of late, but I can't help but notice: the number of rude, bratty, undisciplined children goes up as the number of parents who spank as a form of real discipline goes down. Maybe our parents and grandparents (and all those before them) were onto something...


    *and when I say spank I mean when it is done by loving, but firm parents as a form of discipline and punishment, NOT as way to take anger out on a child as an abusive parent would do.

  • xjadersx@xanga

    Those parents are not doing a good job whatsoever. That is kind of pathetic, and really rude. Children need to be told what to do, and when they do something wrong they need to know it. They like to see where boundaries are, so when they cross them they need to know.

    Those parents should of realized that their children were ruining the movie for other people, and told their kids to sit down, be quiet, and watch the movie that they paid $14 for their kids to see.

  • ole11@xanga

    Unfortunately, that's the run of the mill parent today because they have been taught that if they do anything contrary to the child's wish then they are horrible parents!  What most parents don't realize is that children NEED boundaries otherwise they are absolutely miserable and make everyone else around them miserable!  As was said in the post, it's not the child's fault but the parents' fault!  I would have to say that it will be getting worse pretty soon because Obama and those that are in his cabinet want to get international law in here that states that if a child wants to do something then parents could be in trouble if they don't do exactly what the children want!  It's been happening in Europe and expect it to happen here if they pass that law.  If it happens then there will be major complaints about children because NO ONE will be able to do anything about them!

  • echois23@xanga

    I think a lot of parents are just lost. We who are in this new generation of parents have been told that we are not to spank our children or even be harsh with the children in any way both of which I think are very good things. The downfall of these new restrictions is that the most of us were raised as spanked and yelled at children. Many of my peers have no role models for properly teaching a child self control without using violence or screaming. In desperation and without any tools to use I have noticed that a lot of parents are simply giving up, tuning out, and letting their children run wild. They end up with children that no one can stand to be around which in the end hurts the children most of all.

  • whitetrashpoet@xanga

    My FAVORITE parents are the ones who let their children run amok in the animal shelter where I work. Seriously, I had my dog at work one day, and I was at my desk, and this four year old girl charged up to her and tackled her. She's LUCKY AS HELL that my dog loves kids - many of our adoptable dogs DON'T, and she would have been severely hurt, and that dog would have been euthanized. I finally found her parents and admonished them - it puts a LOAD of liability on our facility, not to mention it puts our dogs and THEIR CHILDREN in jeopardy. It's bad enough to be a bad parent in a grocery store or something, but to completely ignore your children while they run wild around strange animals? Sure, what a wonderful idea. Jeeeeez.

  • LilMama1204@xanga

    I've noticed it more and more.  Of course, I am a parent too.  Sometimes my son gets out of hand, but you never see me not making an effort to stop him.  I have made a time-out corner in the middle of Kohls to make him behave.  I do not tolerate disrupting other people.  I also work as a waitress and I see kids doing the worst things.  I've seen a girl (about 9) pour gravy into the mashed potatoes on the bar (I work at a buffet) and then just walk away.  I've also had kids slurp their drinks at me as if to tell me that they need a refill.  I just ignore them until the parent says something.  I will also forfeit my tip to say, "Well, all they have/had to do is/was ask." and smile.  

    Another thing I think is that if you were to say lightly smack your child's hand or anything, you get admonished or DHS gets called on you.  Parents are afraid of disciplining their children in fear of having social services called on them.  It is really sad that so many children are abused, so they had to make laws more strict.  Now people just don't do anything at all and let their children run wild.
  • plantingthings@xanga

    At my job, children often play with the ropes that we have set up for queues. this wouldn't be a problem if many of them weren't broken and when messed with, the automatic retraction makes the hard end fly up and hit people in the face (it's right at eight year old eye level), or can actually knock heavy stanchions over when there's no more cord to be pulled out. If I do tell children to stop playing with them, their parents then yell at them and I feel bad, I mean, I just told them to stop, they already feel ashamed. I wish parents would just ask them quietly in the first place, so they would have a chance not to get yelled at, but the parents are embarrassed for not paying attention, so they take it out on their kids.

  • laytexduckie@xanga

    I would have just looked over, tapped them on the shoulder, and tell them to STFU. Parents are being way too passive in their parenting skills and it's sad. My parents were tough on me when I was younger, but you know, it helped shaped me into a more disciplined and respectful young adult.

    I won't go into it much since people will blast at me for this, but I am an advocate for spanking your child. It was how I was raised and it's how I plan to raise my kids someday when I have my own.

    Kids learn much faster what is correct when they are younger. So, the sooner you teach and parent them, the more of a wonderful child they will grow up to be. So, parents, do your job and don't expect anyone else to.

  • Allf022908@xanga

    Oh boy.  I work at a daycare so I see things that make me want to scream and/or slap the parents on a daily basis!  My biggest annoyance is the ones that let their two year old control them when it is time to leave and the child doesn't want to.  Sure, give a warning or two... and then stick to it, pick up the kid and leave!  She is TWO for goodness sake.  I am really scared of whats going to happen when this group of kids hits about 15.

  • victoriataylor0@xanga

    I just got off the phone with my 76 year old mother and we were talking about the reality that was our 6-kid, 2 parent household that found a way to survive under financial stress, dashed hopes and dreams and the belief that it would all work out in the wash.  Tolerance.  One simple word with global implications.

    Granted, I don't have kids, even though I was the one kid in the family who desired a house overflowing with the love and energy of children.  I've filled that void with nearly 200 animals (I live on a farm) that all have names and are appreciated for their unique personalities and contributions.  My chickens ... yes, chickens ... run up to me with enthusiasm to be held and coddled and sung to (think "Sound of Music" meets "The Wizard of Oz").

    Life is messy and loud and flows outside the bounds of gentility.  With billions of people on this earth we have to learn to accept the disruption of other lives in the shrinking space we strive to make our own.

    I don't go to the movies.  My first hurdle is the cost and the second is my mindset.  If I truly want to watch a movie unimpeded I do so at home either on a premium channel or video.  But those times are few an far between, because my household is generally overflowing with others ... siblings, parents, nieces and nephews who enjoy spending time with me.

    Understand that the experience is less about what is being projected on the screen and more about what is happening in the environment.  People are people are people, and little people are exploring the bounds of their environment moment by moment.

    Sure, parents could better assess the attention span of their little ones and make better decisions about how to pass a couple hours out of their day, but perhaps that excursion to the theater was their opportunity to sit back and breathe and share a precious moment with their inquisitive child.

    Breathe!!!!  Accept!!!  Tolerate the fact that you are one of billions of people on this earth stiving for a moment of entertainment ... and a moment is good.  It could be so much worse.

    I'm disheartened by the number of my own friends who have the midset that the rest of the world needs to understand and respect their needs.  But is that realistic?  I think not.  This world is not about one, but about how that one contributes to the whole.

    I love kids and rejoice at their energy, enthusiasm and belief that something new, exciting and fun awaits around the next corner.  Instead of combating what your inner adult perceives "shoud be," connect with what your inner child hopes "could be."  Find the promise and beauty of that childlike enthusiasm and find ways to laugh and incorporate that energy into your own life.  We'll all be better for the experience.

    Life is messy.  Toss away the handwipes and get ready for a wild ride!

  • TakingxOverxMe@xanga

    I see shit like this all the time.  

  • jemaigrirai@xanga

    How bout at WinCo (bulk foods store) this little kid kept playing with the food- sticking his hands in the gravy mix, coughing on the rice..   I wanted to smack his little hands!


    Or a woman who feeds her child to make her be quiet.  That little girl is going to have weight issues in the future.

  • TheCaffeinatedKnitter@xanga

    "Or a woman who feeds her child to make her be quiet.  That little girl is going to have weight issues in the future."

    Um, really? You haven't considered that gee, maybe the child is HUNGRY. So we should starve our children, then? We shouldn't meet their needs? Hmmm.... interesting.

    Overall, I think people lack parenting skills, but the above comment was just ridiculous.

  • dr52383@xanga

    a resounding yes.  too many examples but most come from the grocery store where parent's dont parent or pay attention to their kids. 

  • anonymous

    I know my siblings and I would have gotten more than just "the look" if we behaved like that.  We got to go to very few movies when I was a kid, so if we misbehaved my parents would have been extremely upset with it because going to a movie was a treat for us.  You'd better believe we were on our very best behavior. 


    I think that a lot of parents are lax with their children's behavior because for some stupid reason people believe any kind of structure will ruin their children's individuality and creativity.  I don't know who came out with that crock of an idea, but hello....we're parents.  We are the adults.  We have to be responsible for our children and teach them. 


    Your exampe, plus the countless examples you see in restaurants and grocery stores show that a lot of parents have no idea what they're doing. 

  • doesthisdefineme@xanga

    Unfortunately, kids don't come with manuals. I seriously think parents should be required to take parenting classes along with their prenatal visits... and then continue to take classes throughout the child's life as s/he grows and develops.

  • brownalpaca@xanga

    @victoriataylor0@xanga - Bravo!  essentially you are saying what i am thinking but so much more !!!


    while i agree with the idea of tolerance for children and thier usual behavior i do think there are boundaries that ALL people need to learn to respect and we all need to teach children those boundaries.  Why- i ask the poster- couldnt you have said something to the girls or the parent?  What these girls needed at that point was to understand respect for others around them and in my opinion it would be respectful for anyone to kindly ask them to be quiet.  In fact, Thats what all children need.  Not a spank because they must know 'whos boss' .  It's interesting that the question is asked " Are parenting skills diminishing more as time goes by?"  and many people say "yes."  Yet if you really look at the big picture, historically, we have many options and choices open to us as parents through a plethora of information that wasnt available to parents decades ago.  In my opinion, some have taken bits of that info or whatever they could handle and tried to apply it. Maybe that info did translate into less structure, less discipline - sure.  Put that together with parents who are over-worked, less in-touch with kids, less in-touch with themselves and their partners, throw in Media and school and what you have, is indeed, indulged and neglected children behaving as if the world revolves around them and yet they dont give a hoot about it.


    Amazing that so many of the responses here include violence of some sort either to the children or to the "awful" parent who allows such children to act in these manners that disrupt others lives.


    Whats missing here is respect and human value.  The age-old issue of how to parent Has not been remedied by the "spare the Rod" theory in the past and those who propose that it still works may be fooling themselves.  .... For the child who is spanked in order to be controlled will be the one working in daycare one day wanting to slap the parent for having a 'mis-behaving child or the stranger in the grocery store who wants to slap your little ones hands.

  • trinity_heart@xanga

    99% of the time, I'll wait for a movie to come out on DVD before I'll go to the theater to see it because of this very reason. Between shrieking, gabbing kids and teens talking on their cell phones, I can't stand going to the movies anymore.

    I'm not totally uptight about movies... I'm all for cheering at the right parts, and I can even tolerate whispering right behind me. When I saw "Star Wars: Episode III" during the midnight showing, it was a wonderful racket of excitement and nerdom.

    Shrieking, running, out of control kids and teens talking loudly on their cellphones? I'd rather miss out and wait for the DVD than subject myself to two hours (or more!) of listening to someone's brat after paying $$$ just to get in.

  • tJoY0103@xanga

    I totally agree that parents should be forced to take an ongoing parenting class.  Children these days are SO out of control!  But mostly, it is the parents' fault!  My husband's sister-in-law (I refuse to acknowledge that she is mine) has a 5.5 year old boy who has a speech/language delay.  She thinks he is autistic.  So, she decided that he should not be "forced" to be potty trained or stop using the binkie. 

    She also decided that since he eats his ice cream too fast, it should be NUKED for 5 seconds before given to him. 

    And for some unknown reason, she thinks that if he eats a whole banana, he will get constipated, so she would only let him have half of a banana a day, but will let him eat jumbo bags of Lays potato chips by the box.

    At the doctor's office, he routinely shoves other children out of the way to hog the sand box.  When her husband comes back to tell her (and us) what the son did at the doctor's office, her response is, "NO!  My SON?  Never,... he would NEVER do that."  Yeah, so your husband is lying?

    She said to me, "I waited so long to have children, I will never let him cry."

    I dread to think what that child will become.  I REFUSE to let my child near him for fear of my son being bullied!

  • SexxiiBlogger@xanga

    I agree.  But the parenting class everyone is speaking of may do more bad then good.  Because who would teach them?  Most likely people who wrote the damn books that tell people to let children run free.  Which would be HORRIBLE.  And that thing about Obama passing laws to allow children to do as they wish will NEVER happen.  It would never make any sense.  I have a one year old and her doctor gives me well child sheets after all well child appointments and they even tell you to discapline your kids, maybe people should read THAT.  Time outs so far work well.  I think starting early will help.  I don't promote spanking because I was and still am(I'm 17) an abused child.  I currently have bruises on my neck from being choked because my fiance is in jail and wasn't there to defend me this time.  But I also believe for some people it would be effective but only with truely responsible parents that have self-control.

  • PiyoPiyo123@xanga
    uh-huh

    Ugh, bad parenting. It runs rampent now-a-days doesn't it? One time, I was browsing  though a section at a local Barns and Nobles during my lunch hour and there were this group of kids (between the ages of 6~12yrs) who decided to play ball between the ailes. The ball would bounce over the bookcases and nearly twack people in the head, the kids would run like maniacs through the thin aisles screaming, and the parents would wander around oblivious to everything!


    It was kind of sad really, not to mention annoying when I almost got knocked out by a tennis ball to the head. Though I really wanted to beat some sense into those kids, but I was really contemplating blungering the parents as well. And at that point, I don't think anyone would have minded.


    But that's not the part that really made me realize that the fate of my country is doomed. (American btw)


    A little while later, when I was walking back to work, who should I bump into on the corner of the street. Yes, them again. This time, the idiot kids where standing in the road while traffic had to swirve around them. One truck almost hit the little shits and ended up amost crashing into another car and taking out everyone on the other side of the street. And guess what mommies dearest do?


    NOTHING. They don't even look away from their self absorbed conversations or try to tell the kids to get the hell out of traffic. One mom, pulls her kid back a little (still not to the sidewalk though) and the other moms had the nerve to give her a dirty look.


    It gave me a whole new meaning when someone says to go play in traffic. What the hell's up with people these days?!

  • Sezwick@xanga

    @Morningstarrising@xanga - I don't think you're quite getting the point. Children should be taught that food is nourishment, not a reward or a way to pass time.


    I've been thinking a lot about the way my brother treats food, since I became pregnant with twins. I want to make sure that their outlook on food is "There are things in this food that help my body work." rather than "I eat this because it tastes good."


    Good eating habits must be taught early, there's nothing wrong with that.

  • EveryoneHASaDesire@xanga

    I have noticed it in my generation all the time. This obnoxious self-entitlement persona that prevades and parent's do not stop.  For example, I have seen a 17 year old girl throw a hissy fit because her parents making her drive the escalade after she crashed her little BMW instead of replacing her car.
    If I crashed my car, I'd be lucky to drive at all for the next couple of months and be expected to offer to cover the portion of the damage... I hate it.
    Another thing, is people lack common sense. 
    Cars = bad.
    Or, coffee = hot....
    COME ON PEOPLE

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