Wednesday, 22 April 2009

  • Was Life Really That Different Back Then?

    Mama Pig by Mama Pig 

    Was life really that different back when?

    As you all know; I am an older mommy. My oldest son graduates high school in May the day after I celebrate my 21st birthday for the 19th time.

    Coming from a different generation I find myself asking if times have changed that much or does it just seem that way? When I was in high school we had computers. They used DOS. There was no such thing as Windows and the thought of not only owning one computer but sometimes as many as five, wasn't even in my wildest dreams. When I wanted to talk with a friend; I actually had to use the landline phone. Which brings me to; we simply called it the phone, there was no "landline".

    AOL, myspace, facebook; never saw it coming. Cell phones had just started to come out my senior year of high school. They were these HUGE things that you wanted but that nobody could afford to actually use. Airtime was something in the range of four dollars a minute; so while it was a status symbol to own one; you never actually used it.

    Alcohol and drugs were most certainly around. Pot was the drug of choice among most teens. I personally was terrified of it so I never had an experience with drugs of any kind. I did occasionally drink wine coolers. Usually nursing one through a party just so I had something in my hands. The first time I can remember taking a drink was when I turned sixteen.

    Today, kids as young as ten are experimenting with drugs and alcohol. At ten I was still secretly playing with my Barbie; I didn't even know what pot was. Kids as young as twelve suspected of fathering children. Teachers having relationships with sixth graders; seriously?

    My curiosity is this; was all this occurring back then and we just didn't hear about it as much? We didn't have twenty four hour news channels. Hell, we had four channels total when I was young. Is it now just the total coverage available that makes things seem so much worse; or is it really so much worse?

    I knew kids that died of drug overdoses. I knew kids that committed suicide. I knew two kids that almost lost their lives in a car accident. I even knew a young girl that was murdered. The difference back then was; this was not something that made the news. Well, with the exception of the murder, but even that was just a half page in the back of the metro section. There were no Amber Alerts; Wal-Mart didn't have Code Adams; yet these things were most likely still occurring.

    Today, every single one of those incidents most likely would have made national news and been reported on for days. Most likely it would even be given a catchy title; "The Search for the Train Track Murderer" or something equally silly.

    So, in my wandering thoughts I still wonder; is it really so much worse now or is it just more widely reported on? With the internet in most every teens room, there is a whole new predator to watch out for, but are they any less safe now than we were back then? Thoughts??

Comments (14)

  • PenaltyLife@xanga

    are you saying you're 40? with a kid graduating high school???
    around here you're a young mother! embrace your youth :] (i'm about to graduate high school and my mom is 55! but hey that's still young, too.)

    i think sex and drugs are about as prevalent. it's just on the news more. i don't see much drugs or alcohol or sex around here. i know it's going on, but i have no idea. just like you did when you were my age, i guess. i just hear about it online and stuff.

  • Erika_Steele@xanga

    I think we just didn't hear about it.


    At my Elementary/Junior High school.  A teacher was suspended b/c he was suspected of molesting a girl.  I don't know how true it was.  The girl was in the 6th grade at the time.  People are making a big deal now because more women are doing it (or getting caught doing it).  At two of the high schools I went to, teachers lost their jobs for having relatonships with students.  At one of them, the girl got pregnant.  t didn't make the news b/c the way people communicate was different, there was no internet.


    The internet is a mixed blessing.  1) it allows us to be aware when something bad happens to a child.  The Amber alert etc. are good things that came from this kind of technology. 2) the downside is that now predators do have access to our children, but that only means that we have to educate our children in a different way.  A stranger over the computer is just as dangerous as a stranger that you let into your home.  You have to teach children not to let their guards down just because a stranger is not physically in front of them.

  • momstaxi7k@xanga

    You're just a baby,momaroo. There were children who "joined the circus", ran away, were "kidnapped by gypsies", abused in all ways by their fathers and funny uncles, and a female teacher who would not reveal if the father of her baby was a 15 or 17 year old student.That was in the 50's and 60's. In college, everyone knew students who  got A's for sleeping with the teacher - some in high school too.I knew a girl who blackmailed her sister and anyone ele she could. Coke has been around since the 1800s.Opiates even longer. Alcohol and its attendent problems for millilenia. I knew 10 -16 year old alcoholics. Rape - date,friend or stranger - happened and the police looked the other way. It was almost always "her fault". Sleeping around made you trampy. Now sleeping around is acceptable and the other problems aren't,except for drinking and drugging. If you had a phone in your home, it was probably a party line, three numbers to a line and they could listen in just by picking up the phone.  Those 4 tv channels went off the air at 11:30pm or midnight at the latest until 6 or 7am. News was usually like USA Today newspaper. You heard more from your neighbor about local and who did what than the tv, radio had more local news. Most of the sordid stuff was for the "rags" papers that were the local equivalent of the Inquirer. People were closer and watched out for each others families even if they didn't like you. They knew you and your family, who belonged in your neighborhood and who didn't. They came out and sat in their yards or walked the street and talked to one another. Society helped to protect children. Therein lies the modern day problem: no one knows or protects anyone else. There is no social right or wrong, therefore no reason not to do anything. You can't discipline your children without a government agency threatening to take them away. Teachers can't teach without fear of breaking some law or hurting the children's "psyche". Real learning is sacrificed for passing state tests, multicultural inclusion, box or programmed learning, etc. Sorry to have ranted at the end. Police used to know people because they walked beats and lived in or near the beat,went to church with you, ate at the same places and belonged to the fish and game or other social groups. Now they ride in cars to cover more area and keep costs down.

  • k8tthelate@xanga

    I am older than you, and I do believe it is worse. I blame a great deal of it on the media. Things did go on back then, but it wasn't glorified on tv and the internet. I remember when news was really news and not about ratings.


    There were drugs (hey, it was the 60's man!) but I don't believe the numbers were as high (pun intended) and there was sex , but there was also more self discipline (because of?) and shame. Society has lost its sense of shame in many regards trying to be politically correct and that's not always a good thing. 
    I don't fear the internet, I fear the lack of morals and guidelines of what is and isn't acceptable that is being given to our children and grand children.  I pray they don't become their own worst enemy.
  • smrtipntsleah@xanga

    Actually, not only is America a GREAT deal safer than it was in the 1960s, 70s and 80s, but teenage birthrates and teenage sex has been steadily dropping since the 90s (with the exception of 2008, that rose a little bit).

    You're right, the reason it seems worse is because of the media. Our world is MUCH safer, but also much scarier. Watch less CNN and you'll realize it's true, although I do agree with the comment above mine about moral standards slowly decreasing.

  • XXKimPossibleXX@xanga

    Times have most definitely changed....but kids have also changed with the times, they have access to a lot more knowledge now than we did...cheating is also easier with everything available on the internet. Like everything else, I think balance is the key to a good childhood. 

  • mycontinuity@xanga

    My mom said there were gangs when she went to school. There were stabbings. There were shootings. Girls at her high school got pregnant. People were murdered. It never made the news and only the people involved, or who lived in that area, were privy to that information. 


    My friend said her grandma told her that she (the grandma) would put razor blades in her hair in case she got into fights (when the grandma was in high school). And that was really back in the day!


    Teenage and child pregnancies were usually handled in the same fashion: the parents would raise the kid as a sibling to their real mother (if the pregnant girl was herself a child).


    Yes! I've had two friends find out their grandparents weren't their grandparents! Their real grandmothers were either children or teenagers when they got pregnant, and the families kept it a huge secret. I'm thinking that happened a lot.


    Stories about bad things --for the most part--sell more newspapers (or get more clicks); journalists then have to go out of their way to find those stories because it's what people what to read. With all the technology, these stories just spread faster. There are also more people.

  • victoriataylor0@xanga

    First of all, Momaroo, "age" is all about awareness and perception.  "You're as young as you think you are" is more than just an empty platitude ... in my world it's truth.  I have my "old" days, but quickly grasp the things that keep me feeling more youthful and vital.  I crossed my mid-century mark some time ago, but I'm nowhere near my expiration date!  Rejoice in your youth.

    Awareness is something that is heightening globally, and the awakening of social consciousness such as you discuss here is exciting!  I see it as an indication of the resurgence of social values of previous generations:  bringing our loved ones closer, drawing a sense of "self" from a sense of "family" and "community."  No longer do kids perceive themselves as individual zygotes brushing up against others as they float needlessly through life, but they are becoming aware that each one of us is part of something much greater than our individual nation ... we are part of a global community.  Actions that take place a half a world away impact our safety, security and longevity.

    My father was the "dirty little secret" of an incestuous rape in 1930.  His mother was shipped away to a convent in Canada to have the baby, who was then adopted by a distant relative and smuggled back into the US in the bottom of a laundry basket.  My best friend's mother was one of seven kids placed in an orphanage in the early 19-teens and eventually placed into child labor through a convent in Illinois.  Her mother ran a "speakeasy" where she was put to work at 15 years of age -- beaten within an inch of her life by a woman who thought she was fooling around with her husband (part of one of the largest Chicago-area crime syndicates to ever have existed!).  And Coke -- everybody's favorite soda -- gave you that lift from cocaine!  EVERYBODY took drugs!  In fact, tinctures and cough syrups were thick with alcohol and narcotics.

    In Victorian times...heck, for Centuries...women were prescribed barbiturates to manage "melancholy" and mask serious medical problems.  Many eventually died from overdose as they sought continued numbing of the reality that was their life:  spousal abuse, social critique, adulterous marriages, incest, and all the other unseemly activities that have plagued mankind since its inception.

    Yes, the news has become big business and strives to "one-up" the competition by assigning splashy taglines and displaying horrifying photos about disgusting behaviors in an effort to push their ratings through the roof.  Shock journalism has been around for decades, but as society medicated its social consciousness to the point of mind-numbing insensitivity, it finally became the norm.  Thankfully, people are starting to notice and want to protect their kids from this unseemly side of humanity.  Let our kids be kids, for cripes sake!  Make them aware that there are bad people out there, but show them love and give them the best, most stable home environment you can manage.  Get them outside ... away from computers and TVs ... pry the electronic devices out of their hands and show them how much fun it is to get together a "pick-up" game of football, baseball, kickball or "tag" after dinner!  Honestly, we interacted with the other kids in our community and hated to spend time alone.  As kids, we talked, laughed, surmised, experimented and learned.  This is how we make good people and a better world.

    As a mom, you have the power ... just don't let the bastards get you down!

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  • Liquid_Pain_523@xanga

    I believe it was definitely different, but people take that to mean kids are worse now than they used to be. I doubt that's true, it's just that there are different morals now than before. Some things are worse than they used to be, some are better. It's just how life goes. But I'd take drugs and sex over racism and unfair working environments any day.

  • LadyLibellule@xanga

    The bad stuff has always been around, but I think the Internet has had a major impact on the safety of our lives.  Predators were always out there, but back before the advent of the Internet, they had to work a lot harder to lure their victims.  Just like shopping and banking and all the other things we do online now, predation had to be done in person.

    It's scary how much things have changed.

  • patrickspeaches@xanga

    @k8tthelate@xanga - I agree, there seems to be no shame anymore. Too many things are acceptable now that weren't back when. I mean when did the "B" word become the norm on TV?Why does every commercial have nudity in it, even if it is about teeth whitener? Do your teeth look more white if you are naked? I don't think so!!


    I think the media blows things way out of proportion. It seems to glorify nudity, crime, and violence. It is sad! That is why we do not have TV in our home and internet is strictly monitored. I get to control what comes in this home, not society. 
  • heykimm@xanga

    its the generations thats so different..
    pop culture, society and how parents raise kids.

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