Friday, 06 March 2009
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Do Boys Get A Bad Rap?
by Mama Fox Today's Momversation topic hit close to home for me.
We live in a culture now, fueled by the feminist movement of previous generations, that makes girls believe that they are better than boys and that it is okay to treat them appallingly.Wearing shirts like "Boys Suck" and "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them" sends a message not only to other girls that it's okay to treat boys this way, but also is a major hit to the boys themselves. Why does it seem perfectly normal to discriminate against gender, but at the same time if the shirt said "White/Black/Asian/Mexican people are stupid, throw rocks at them" there would be such a public outcry and I'm sure even legal action? It's all just discrimination.
I am feminist mother of three boys. I believe in equal rights and respect for women and men. Equal. That does not mean tearing down the male gender to empower the female gender. We can say "Girls Rule" without tacking on "Boys Drool".We can be proud to be women without acting like men are scum. If we as women demand respect we should also be giving respect. One of my goals as a mother is to teach my boys that they need to respect everyone regardless of gender, age, race.
What's your opinion about this? Do you think boys are being discriminated against?
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I agree it's sorta like the ruputation black people have but honestly if they would act better no one would be mean to them for example I was hit in the face with an ice ball this winter and it was a black kid who through it. so the same logic apply's if boy's wouldn't treat girls like they were a pice of a** or s*** grils i am sure would not wear those shirts.
ps iam not raciest
smedly
I am in 100% agreement. WELL SAID.
@smedly_if_you_only_knew@xanga - not all blacks are like that, and not all boys are like that. jeez wtf. what if i said all girls are sluts? i mean some girls just little whores that LIKE it when boys act like pigs. but that doesn't mean all girls are like that. stop being close-minded and stop generalizing groups of people. it's totally unfair.
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I think it's pretty crappy. I mean, even if the shirt said, "Girls suck, throw rocks at them." a whole lot of crap would get started. Sadly there are a lot of people who claim to be feminists, who actually aren't; instead they're for making the female gender dominant over the male gender.
Haha wow I totally agree with you on this. I tried making a case about it in one of my English classes once. I hate that nowadays its the norm to watch TV and see the female characters be empowering, smart, and social... while the male characters are usually drunk, stupid idiots. I know its not much but its something that I pointed out. I said that if the roles were ever reversed that you'd probably have some feminist groups coming out and calling the show sexist.
It seems that a lot of the time girls will say they want to be equal but really, they only listen to SOME of the rules of equality and really, its only when its in their favor (kinda like religion, eh? lol). Its one of the most annoying things to have to watch.
I think it's great that you're teaching your boys to respect everyone. However, while they're out in the world without you to protect them, they're going to be exposed to these types of things. The difference between people becoming discriminatory jerks, for lack of a better word, and staying open, fair, and rational is what they're taught since childhood. You're probably doing a great job, which means you don't have to worry about your sons being sexist, racist, etc... These sayings, they're all in fun. People who use these logos often know better, and are only joking. It's like a cootie phase for the general public. I'm not saying it's acceptable to "discriminate" against the boys because girls have gone through, and are still going through, such treatment. It's certainly not appropriate to teach children how horrible the opposite sex is. I only think that there is a time and a place for making jokes, like stand-up comics.
The point of my rather monstrous paragraph (haha) is that if we aren't actual advocates of these slogans, and only dabble with them because it's light-hearted fun, then it's...okay. People don't turn into man/woman-haters because of t-shirts, they do so because they haven't been taught to know any better.
I totally agree with you about this. I hate how some people take the feminist movement to mean that women are better than men when it is and should be about equal treatment.
@xxthatsmexx@xanga - T-shirts can hurt people though. We shouldn't even be making hateful shirts in the first place. As for comedy, sure it could be funny but the context is way off. These are little children - they don't get it as "comedy" yet.
Dunno. I just really hate it when people put down males because of the whole "feminist" thing. Grr, even hearing the word feminist makes me cringe with disgust (although the true definition is supposed to be equality of genders, it's turning into "girls rule, boys drool").
Race is a more touchy subject than gender.
I think it is, anyway.
I see it as just another sign that the feminist movement has gone too far.
There's no doubt if the tables were turned and the t-shirts were aimed at females, all the feminists in the world would be furious and shooting.
And then again there's all the teen drama with relationships, that fuels sayings like that for t-shirts. Girls will always be more dramatic with the way they prove their points.
Well, i kind of understand wat u mean but like i think its more funny to say boys stink throw rocks at them, like i had a shirt wen i was little that said boys are like sugar first there sweet then they make u sick, but i do understand wat u mean because it would be a huge problem if the shirts and stuff say like girls suck and stuff
I TOTTALY AGREE WITH YOU....@smedly_if_you_only_knew@xanga - YOU CANT BLAME A WHOLE RACE OR GENDER FOR A FEW PEOPLE ALL BLACKS AREN'T LIKE THAT AND SOME BLACK PARENTS WOULD OF WHOOPED HIS ASS AND MADE HIM APOLOGIZE SAME AS WITH GENDER.
I don't think the point of the shirts is to discriminate against boys, they're just supposed to be funny. But they aren't funny and they are discriminative. This isn't a phenomenon limited just to girls clothing though. I've seen plenty of men wearing Harley Davidson shirts that say "If you can read this the b*tch fell off." I definitely do think boys bear the brunt of the picking on, but it does exist for other genders and I'm sure for other cultures.
For the record, I don't think boys are stupid and I hope that we get all boys. I can't imagine trying to parent myself at age 16, my mother must have been on the verge of a heart attack most days. There just seems to be less drama with boys, or at least that's what I'm banking on.
It amazes me that people still see now 60-70 year old radical feminists as the face of the movement. It seems to me that it has now moved toward snarky, slutty, corrupted "girl power" instead of just an empowered version of femininity (embracing our female traits like motherhood while also not tolerating domestic abuse or professional discrimination). I still wear the label proudly, even while I despair the new feminist stereotypes.
I do agree that boys are somewhat being discriminated against in some areas, but at the same time I don't think men are. I'm a psych major and currently taking psychology of gender and there is just so much there about all the discrimination towards each sex. An example is how elementary school systems are set up with reading and writing at their foundation, which is generally the best way for girls to learn, most boys on the other hand need to be able to move around and physically do something to learn. So in a way the school systems are discriminating against boys. Though everyone learns differently so some girls are being discriminated against as well. At the same time though we have learned of multiple studies in which they found that teachers tend to pay more attention the male students, especially in science classes. So in that sense girls are being discriminated against. There are so many other things, I could go on and on. I do think you are right that we need to empower girls without demeaning boys. Equality doesn't mean the same, instead it means different but equal.
I got a severe emotional beatdown just for being a boy in grade school. As the only boy in orchestra, I was squeezed out of playing musical instruments because I wasn't a girl.
While some women (overgrown girls, rather) might say "good", I didn't do anything. I never called names, I never raised a hand to a girl, and I don't think I was good enough to threaten them, creatively...
and yet, I harbor no malice towards females in general. In fact, I still love them for the most part. Most people come out of childhood situations like that so traumatized, they dismember girls after raping them, and wearing their sexual organs as jewelry. (no, I have never considered that) I sort of have a "big brother" complex, and protect ladies and give them stuff.
Yea I think boys get a bad rap and girls have helped. I think sometimes boys think "hey well they already dont expect anything, why even try?' thus we have created some of that bad rap.
I used to be one of those girls that said "I dont need a man, bla bla bla"
I got married.
I had a baby. A boy. lol
Life happens !
I am a teen girl and I can proudly say that my mom - while not one to confront someone, let alone tell a store manager off about the products he is selling - walked through stores with me, and used such out-of-line tee shirts as prompters for conversations or comments with which she taught me that, while I should always be proud to be a girl, I should never have to put someone else down for me to feel good. Â It's just like the bully book I read in elementary. Â Bully's put other people down because it makes them feel good. Â They don't feel good about themselves, so they make other people feel worse. Â The girls who wear those shirts are either extremely ignorant, or bullies, and my mom taught me to be neither.
I understand what you're saying, but the shirts are meant to be funny. Yes, some of them are extreme. I'm not going to sit up here and act like I never said "Girls rule and boys drool" because I have. I'm pretty sure boys have said some things along those lines too. It really wasn't a big deal, we were just being kids.
Both genders are being discriminated against. Someone is always going to be discriminated against. Is it right? No, but it is going to happen. I agree that neither gender should be superior, but rather equals.
@smedly_if_you_only_knew@xanga - If a few bad apples would act better, then the world would be great for all of the apples? I don't think so. That isn't a reputation that black people have. That is a stereotype you've linked to black people because one black person did you wrong. No one person represents an entire group of people.
that's an interesting point... it's so important for young kids to be taught to treat everyone fairly regardless of gender.. so that we can reduce domestic violence and emotional/verbal abuse
both ways
I agree with you.Â
If we aren't careful, there will probably be a Men's Liberation movement sometime this century. XDgreat post! a few years back, i found a shirt that said, "boys are stupid, throw rocks at them!" at a local mall. i really found the shirt cute and funny, and i wanted to buy it. now, i am glad that i never got around to buying it. we should aim for equal rights for both sexes, not the domination of one sex over another.
i have a distinct weakness for boys.
i adore boys. it's not a silly "i'm a teenage girl and i'm sooo boy crazy"-kind of deal, either. i just get along so well with them - better than girls. it's so difficult to hang out with girls. different senses of humor, focus often centers around asinine shit (in my opinion). i dunno. i grew up in a family full of women, and i for some reason can't fucking stand them. no offense, ladies. i'm first to fight for women's/reproductive rights, don't get me wrong; i just love my boys :]
the way a boy smells drives me crazy. i love playing with their hair, joking around, drinking a few brewskies, fucking shit up, talking, blunt cruising, ahh...most of my closest friends in life have been boys.