Sunday, 08 February 2009
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How Far Would You Go to Have a Baby?

Is it possible to take fertility too far? Has modern medicine and science made a mockery of the miracle of birth? When I was told and believed I wouldn't be able to conceive (and quite rudely at that), I thought I would do anything within my power to have a child. I even joked when I did daycare about taking this little baby boy who was neglected and run away with him.
Dr. Deutsch of Fargo looked at me like I was some kind of fool when I asked, "Does this mean I won't be able to have children?" "No. If you don't get your periods, you don't ovulate, if you don't ovulate you can't get pregnant. Besides, you're only 20. Why would you care?" That was a blow! Yes, I was only 20, but having children someday was something I had always known I wanted, and back then, I believed doctors always knew what they were talking about. That's why they got paid the big bucks right?
Five kids later, I can look at this through a different perspective. I wonder, knowing what I know now, and having a stronger faith in God, if I really would have done whatever it would take to have kids. The Goslings had sextuplets. They responded to a question that had asked if they were nuts.
Paraphrasing here, Kate stated, "You don't go into this thinking you are going to get pregnant with six babies. There are only 14 sets of sextuplets in the US." She has also brought up before that 'reduction' for them was out of the question. Great for them. But that brings up a question for pro-lifers (which I happen to be.). How many more triplets, quads, quints, sextuplets, etc. would there be if parents weren't choosing to 'reduce' already fertilized eggs? Isn't that abortion then? You want children so bad - but not that many, so I will pick and chose which babies survive and which won't. There was a couple in CA the other day who gave birth to octuplets. I haven't heard anything more about it as of yet. But can you imagine!
Then there's surrogate mothers. Could you be a human incubator for another person's child? I used to think I could, but after giving birth, there's a bond that grows in your heart as a child grows in your womb, and I don't think I could give up a child I birthed even knowing it wasn't my egg or my husband's sperm. But I'm not so sure I wouldn't consider this option if I wouldn't have been able to carry a child to term. I do know I could love a child like my own, even if it weren't of my flesh, so perhaps adoption would be the better way there.
Why not adopt?
I know that there's a lot of red tape and hoops to jump through with adoption, that it can be expensive and send people on an emotional roller coaster and that there's waiting lists etc. I'm not sure if it would be a better option then going to the extreme to have children 'naturally' or not.
I wonder if we've taken our knowledge of medicine too far. What are your thoughts?
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Having PCOS, and knowing that I wanted a child so badly, there was a time when I thought I would do anything to have a child. I even once believed that I was pregnant with all the psycho-sematic symptoms that go with it. I tried metformin which was supposed to help me ovulate, but it didn't. I then tried clomid, but that didn't work either. Next, I tried HCG shots, which did work, but about the time they began working I got the strongest feeling that the Lord wanted me to trust Him. So, I stopped taking the shots. After a couple of years, I finally gave up and surrendered to the Lord. I told the Lord that if it wasn't His will for me to have children, then I would accept that. And...I meant it. Three months after this, I was pregnant. Now, six years later, I long for another child, but I know that the Lord is the one who opens and shuts the womb. It was seemingly impossible for me to have a child, and yet in God's timing, I was granted one. If it is His will for me to bear another, I know I will. I hope so. But if not, I pray that the Lord will open the door for us to be able to adopt. There are so many children already in the world that need loving homes, and families that will nurture them and lead them to Christ. Until that day comes, I continue to seek the Lord for wisdom to train the child He has given me to love and serve Jesus. In all it is about His will and His alone.
I went as far as finances would allow me. I had one IVF, after one infant loss and a few miscarriages, and it didn't work. If money was not a problem, I would try again and again.
I would become a foster parent and/or adopt before I would go to medical extremes. There are so many children in the world, especially ones with special needs that need homes, it seems a shame that people feel a need to spend so much money on alternative conception than alternatives to conception. As for wait times, there are thousands of children up for adoption from the state with no wait times, very low adoption fees, and plenty of state aid to help cover the costs of raising the children with special needs...something birth parents can't get access to should they choose to keep their children with special needs.
While I understand the longing to have children, I have never understood the obession with NOT adopting. How much more of an emotional roller coaster can it be than hormone injections, fertility drugs, and failed attempts at IVF? I am not judging...I just don't understand it.
The octuplets were born to a single, unemployed mother who already had 6 kids (including one with autism). There's wanting kids... and then there's baby hoarding.
I think too many people use today's technologies as a way to satisfy needs that really should be dealt with in other ways. I also don't understand the insane biological urge that makes a couple spend thousands of dollars to have a biological child when there are so many kids who could use a family.
@LadyLibellule@xanga - baby hoarding, that's definitely what I would consider her. I also agree with you about spending thousands of dollars for a biological kid when there's so many other kids that need families.
I think that medicine has gone too far. I mean.. the doctor that implanted all those eggs for that woman who is single, unemployed, and already has 6 kids.. Unethical much? Honestly, I keep hoping that the state steps in, see's this.. sees that the woman is baby obsessed, already has 6 kids and such & sees that the state of CA is going to be footing the bill for every last one of those kids.. Maybe there's a way they can remove them from her custody and get them adopted. Poor kids. Either way, not only medicine, I think people are going too far too, for example, the Duggar's and their 18 kids.
Its crazy now a days. The average family is going from 2.5 kids to dozens, yet the economy is supposed to be going downhill.
I have to admit that I have a hard time with this one. Seeing as I have never had problems getting pregnant, I feel bad saying that I don't think it is right to go to all the medical extremes that people do to have a biological child. I am a firm believer in God's plan and God's timing and I just feel that if a couple isn't meant to have kids then they aren't ... there must be a reason for it.
I have a friend who has had 3 miscarriages and, through testing, found out it would take both hormones and blood thinners for her to even have a chance of carrying a child full term. She is one of my oldest friends and I feel for her as I know she really wanted children. But, at the same time, I look at some of the choices that her and her husband make and I can't help but wonder that it is God's plan that there not be kids in that home. I have to admit that, when looking at who could take our children if something were to happen to us, she was ruled out because I wouldn't agree with the way they would be raised there.
All that being said, even with all the medical interventions, God is in control and, no matter what you do, if you aren't meant to have a baby then you won't. That is just my opinion.
I've always wanted to be a mom. And now that I have 2 beautiful girls, if someone told me I couldn't have anymore children, I would be devistated. My sister has described a feeling of completeness after having her second. That hasn't come to me yet, and my husband agrees (he jokes cheeper by the dozen, but I'm thinking 5 max) At this point, since I do have two kids if I couldn't have more, I think I would do the foster parent thing, and probably adopt.
As for being a surrogate, I would do it in a heart beat (once I'm done having my own). I loved every minute of being pregnant. I even loved every minute of giving birth. (You know if the book the Giver, how everyone has a job- I'd be the woman who was impregnanted and gave birth.) I'm certain there would still be that connection, even if I knew that biologically the child wasn't mine. And I know it would break my heart to see that baby be put into someone else's arms. But I think seeing the look on that someone else's face- the same look I had when I held my girls for the first time- would be well worth the pain of letting go. Afterall, every parent has to let go of their child at some point. So as much as I may feel like the child is my own, seeing them leave to go to the arms of another loving parent would ease the pain, I'm sure? And that would be so worth it.
being childless for almost 6 years of being married is such a struggle for me and my husband, there are so many pressure eventhough my husband always telling me thats its okey if we dont have one.I undergo IVF ,TWice! aside from the pain and its kinda expensive it did'nt matter to me, cuz i really want a baby, I also tried clomid but it did'nt also work out, so imagined all my frustations and anger.And i stopped taking med.Then that was the time, me and my hsuband always go to church and pray for Him to grant our wish. 3 months after that, i got pregnant!My baby is now 15 months old.Im really very, very thankful.And i still want another baby, if He will again grant our wish, but if not, im still very thankful.And if giving an opportunity, im willing to adopt.i guess and i believed that even if how hard you tried and spent money for artificial, if its not really meant for you, it will not happen.
@sidewayslife@xanga - I can relate to that. I used to live in the same building as a couple who were trying unsuccessfully to get pregnant. I'd hear him beat the crap out of her and wonder what kind of person is she wanting to bring a child into that kind of home. Did she think having a child would fix it? He already had 2 kids. One he had custody of, and the other he was fighting for. I know that he abused his power (he was a cop) to get his kids. What kind of mom was she going to be bringing a child into that? That was the only time in my life I prayed to God someone wouldn't get pregnant. Once she had a child, she'd never be able to get away from him.....
I think that medicine's knowledge about this kind of thing is good. The fact that so many people kind of "abuse it" isn't good, though. The fact that medicine allows some women who would never be able to have children without it to do exactly that is fantastic. The fact that there are women (Such as the woman who gave birth to octuplets) who obviously abuse the fertility treatments isn't that great, however.
I am a mom, so I know what it's like to bring a child into the world. It's wonderful, but it does not make me more special or on a higher pedestal than those who cannot bear children. I would never go to great lengths to have a child. I said that before having a baby, and I still feel that way. I would either build a happy life without children, or, if I have a longing for children and cannot conceive, I would adopt. I wouldn't want to spend thousands of dollars on unnatural procedures when that money could be spent to welcome an unwanted child in my home.
That's just my opinion- I have nothing against people who try fertility drugs or IVF. This is just stating what I would do.
@songbird27@xanga - I think you're exactly right. My abusive and controlling ex-boyfriend tried to get me pregnant just so I would be stuck with him. I got pregnant 4 times, and lost all four of those babies. I couldn't understand why it was happening until I realized the type of situation I was in. I look back now and realize that everyone was right. Everything happens for a reason, and I feel that by losing those babies, God was maybe giving me a second chance to get out of that bad situation before a child stuck me with him.
The incident that has started this focus on fertility, maybe even its damning, was because of one woman and one doctor who both made bad choices. I think one or two bad apples have spoiled fertility treatments for the bunch.
I think fertility treatments offer something incredibly wonderful for loving couples who otherwise would not be able have children. I've had several friends complete their families this way. It's been a blessing for them and one not devoid of God in the least bit.
My husband works with children, advocates for them, protects them. I spent my life raising other people's children before having my first. We have a very loving and stable home. All we want, as a family, is to have a baby together as the final piece in our union. It is my dream to experience pregnancy with my husband and raise an child from infancy with him, an experience we have not shared together.
I also think that many do understand what exactly goes into those treatments. Generally, they don't just go straight to plopping fertilized eggs in your uterus. There is a lot of testing involved, and like with any other medical procedure, the less invasive methods are tried first.
For us, adoption is an option if all else fails.
"Why would you care? You're only 20?" How obnoxious? At only 20 years old why WOULDN'T you care that you'll never be able to have children. Ridiculous. I'm so glad that you've been able to have your children after all.
I get pregnant very easily and love it. I have fleetingly considered surrogacy but I don't think I could ever give that baby away to its parents....it would be so hard because I bond with my children so much when they are inside of my womb.
Sounds like you and I have similar stories. When my husband and I got married, I knew that he had been told by two different doctors that he would never father any more children (he has a son from a previous marriage). I was 19 at the time. I went into this marriage eyes wide open, and had decided that I would not worry about children immediately. If I hit mid-20's or 30 and we really wanted a baby and still didn't have one, then we might consider alternatives. As it turned out, I got pregnant two months after we were married, and now, six kids later, we've decided that we're really done.
I have wondered fleetingly from time to time how things might have been different if we had waited a while before we started having kids and had a couple of years to ourselves. But I knew from the beginning that I could never live with myself if we had used birth control for a few years, then been unable to conceive even with treatments. How could I have lived with the thought that I may have given up my only chance to have a child?
So, even though there are times when I think about how nice a couple of years alone with him would have been, I know we would never have traded even one of our kids for it. And if I had the decision to make over again, I wouldn't change it at all.
I guess I could take several avenues in looking at this. I happen to work for the largest fertility center in the U.S....the most reputable and I see the patients that enter our facility, and in most cases I can actually feel the pain behind the people that have the inability to bare a child without meds/intervention.
There are, however, several cases where those who enter our facility are challenged "psychologically" in order to assess their desire to go through treatment.
I use to shake my head and think, "why would anyone go through all of this to conceive?! Geez...get over it!" But my arrogance and stupidity placed me in that situation during my first marriage, where my husband & I tried for 6 months and I was going through the yellow pages looking for care. Shortly thereafter, without treatment, we conceived. But I can remember that anxiety...that pain of wanting a baby of our own.
2 kids later, and one coming in the next few days, or hours...literally, (I may have the nurses here take me to the hospital in the next hour or so), I see how someone could desire this miraculous occurence and go to any length to obtain it.
I guess you can't be "judgemental" until you have been there. And even then...being judgemental leaves you susceptable to being judged...
The fact that you were worried at the age of 20, let's me know i am not the only one. I am 20 and live in a city where the rate of young mothers is very high. i mean 15 yr old YOUNG. In August 08 i got pregnant to then lose it sept 30th 08 and i havent been able to conceive to this day. It disgusts me to see families like the Duggars and that cali lady. When i am here only wanting ONE at the moment. I dont think i could adopt at this point but if i were much older, i would definitely look into doing that. I am also pro-life! :)
The woman with octuplets is crazy (she had 6 kids already that she can't really afford, so why implant EIGHT embryos?). I don't mind the Gosselins so much.... they're right. You don't expect all the implanted embryos to "take". I know many couples who have tried and tried and tried IVF and are unsuccessful. I think that if a couple wants to have a child badly, has the money to do so and can deal with all the emotions that come along with it, I say, why not? It's their business. But if they can't truly afford it, then I'm not so supportive of those kinds of measures. In the long run, though, I think that adoption CAN be more expensive and full of a ton of red tape, so if a couple wants to try fertility treatments first, who am I to deny them that right?
Adoption is an option! I have always wanted to adopt but didn't think it would be an option because it cost so much but I have found that isn't true! If you go through your state then the adoption wouldn't necessarily cost much more than a physical, a tb test, and the cost of the attorney (this all depends on your state and what they desire to charge). Yes, there is the emotional rollercoaster but I remember being on an emotional rollercoaster when I was pregnant with my natural born children. Adopting is worth the effort it takes and after having the child in your life you will find that you couldn't even imagine what life would be without that child. We have found this to be the case for us! Yes, I do believe that adoption is worth the effort and we would do it all over again!
@Tbnasib3@xanga - i am already 32 years old and 10 years married but till now im not getting pregnant. i dont know what to do
I would love to be a surrogate for someone, but I doubt they would take me, since I have two blood clotting disorders. What a beautiful gift though!
@blue_angel1206@xanga - I don't want to minimize your pain or sadness. I know well how it feels. And I can't tell you what you should do. All I shared was where I felt the Lord led me. The Lord, in His infinite wisdom, knew there were many things He had to teach me and to refine in me before it was time for me to have a child. One of those things was to be totally surrendered to His will, whatever that was. He knew the desire of my heart, but He still wanted me to submit that desire to Him. Once I did, He gave me the desire of my heart. If I hadn't had my son, we might have adopted anyway, and then I still would have had a child of my own. I think sometimes we think we can't possibly love a child that we have taken into our home as much as we do one that came from our flesh and blood, but this isn't true. One of my best friends adopted and loves her adopted children just as much as she does her biological children. No one can tell you what path the Lord has for you. Only you can find that out at His feet. All I can tell you is that He is trustworthy. It isn't always easy to lay EVERYTHING down at His feet, but peace only truly comes when we do. Talk to your Father about it. Tell Him everything. And let Him hold you through the tears, comfort you through the disappointments, and let it draw you closer to Him. He bottles every tear we shed. And He alone knows exactly how we feel. I pray that your journey will draw you closer to the heart of Christ, and that you will find peace and rest in Him.
You never know how far you will go until you are put into that position.
@Tbnasib3@xanga - @Tbnasib3@xanga -
thank you. im always praying for almost a year..i dont know what God plan is. i dont want to adopt. the truth is.. i have an ovarian cyst and it was detected last 4yrs ago. i cant go for an operatio coz i dont have enough money. so i just pray to God for my health and asking that He could help me. Im from Philippines anyway.
We are low fertility from both sides so my husband and I aren't holding our breath on having biological children. Even though we know medical intervention would up our chances, truthfully, we don't see the sense in investing that much time and money and effort when we aren't promised the outcome we want. We want to be parents, not pregnant. That's why we planned on adopting...until three months ago when we got a phone call from a family member and ended up adopting her two children. So now we have a 13 month old and a 2.5 year old and I certainly can't imagine going through the mess of fertility drugs now!