Friday, 05 September 2008

  • What Should the Kids Eat or Not Eat?

    Mama Foxby Mama Fox

    I have been talking online with a few vegetarian/vegan (aka veg*n) mothers and lately, I've been hearing the same rant over and over. Omnivore parents accusing the veg*n parents of forcing their kids to not eat meat. Okay, what about forcing kids to eat meat? Why the double standard?

    Many veg*n mothers, even with omnivore husbands, don't cook meat. That's understandable of course. So the family eats meatless together. I'm sure there's even a bit of "Eat your vegetables, please" going on, just like "normal" families. Just because meat isn't an option at home doesn't mean that their parents are so horribly against meat that they are forbidden to ever eating it. Of course there will be extreme cases, but a majority of the veg*n families I know of, the kids decided on their own to either eat meat or not. I don't see any forcing going on. 

    I do cook meat. Papa Fox has no problem cooking it for himself but I don't have (much of) a problem with it, and it's easy enough to do it in the afternoon and throw it in the fridge so he can put in on his dinner that night. Because it's in the house, the boys have the choice. 99% of the time, they don't want meat. While it does make me happy that they are choosing to eat vegetarian, I'm not going to freak out if they don't. That was Papa Fox and I's agreement: no forcing either way. We will let the kids decide.

    I do have a slight problem with feeding my kids something that I wouldn't eat myself, but I also realize that they have their own opinions based on the information they have, and they should have the right to choose. (They also like things like cottage cheese, which I would not touch, veg*n or not.) It was the same before I went vegetarian. If they didn't want what I made for dinner, that's fine. Their other choices were cold cereal or PB&J sandwich. I will not cook a completely separate meal for them, but I also don't cook much that they won't eat. I am not going to force them to eat anything they don't want to. I wouldn't want anyone else telling me what to eat or not eat so I give them the same respect. All parents should.

    I also find it slightly funny that a few weeks ago we were walking through Walmart and my 4 year old was talking about chicken taquitos. He loves taquitos so he was just babbling along, but then he said fairly loudly, "It's not nice to eat chickens." I laughed very hard. Of course, that wouldn't stop him from eating them if we bought them, but I think it's funny that he said it. I'm not forcing my children into my views. They understand that I don't eat meat because I feel that eating animals is wrong. I have given them age appropriate information when it comes up, but that's about it. I hope that one day they will decide on their own to be veg*n with me, but if not, they are still my children and I love them... even if they eat meat. Haha!

    What's the meal policy in your family?  How much say do your kids have in deciding what they want/don't want to eat?

Comments (42)

  • jediwa72@xanga

    I'm blessed with kids that will eat ANYTHING...they're favorite foods include broccoli, tomato, onion, chicken, steak, pork chops, lettuce, etc.  Pretty much I can make a full course meal and rest assured they're getting all their food groups in.

  • draco1531@xanga

    I don't really agree with your policy of letting them have cereal or pb & j if they don't like what you made - -true, it's not fun to be told what to eat, but sometimes in life it's what we have to do and learning it at home seems appropriate to me. At the same time, I really like your reason for allowing them freedom of choice and I bet, since you function that way as a rule, they mostly choose to eat what you make, so it's probably a win win for your family. 


    Your posts always intrigue me. I think our lives are really different from one another, so you always bring new ideas into my head, and I appreciate that! 
  • Seargent_Peppers@xanga

    Since when should the word 'vegan' be censored?

  • already_dead@xanga

    I'm really glad my mom forced me to eat everything because it has made me a more open minded person. I love to try new foods. I still hate liver, but if someone serves it to me I will eat it out of respect. I was taught to be respectful of what others eat. This is important especially since we live in such a diverse society. I met this one girl who is extremely picky. She told me she hated rice, but she never tried it. How can you hate something you never tried? I think parents should expose their children to a variety of food when their young. 

  • kaitlyn_in_wonderland@xanga

    My family's policy is eat whatever is served to you basically.


    I think kids eat just about anything, I did pretty much. However, if a child is passionate about not eating meat I don't think they should be forced too. But Vegitarian parents should at least give their kid the option of eating meat instead of banning it from the beginning.

  • Atomic_emmcee@xanga

    @kaitlyn_in_wonderland@xanga - Well, parents who stop their kids from eating meat are kinda like people who don't let kids eat sugar or drink pop because they think it is unhealthy. If you think something is unhealthy for your child, you'll try to make sure he doesn't have it to do what you think is protecting his health.

  • Amyld@xanga

    I don't eat meat, and my oldest does not eat meat.  My husband does, and my middle daughter does.  My children are allowed to make their own food choices, as long as it is mostly healthy, I do not care what they choose to eat.  It is very rare that we all eat the same thing for meals.

  • MelodicPuppy@xanga

    My son is only 9 months old so he pretty much eats whatever I put in front of him, having yet to decide for himself that he "likes" something. 

    My rules- I will cook healthy meals.  Vegetables will be mandatory with every dinner, but I won't force them to eat a veggie that I know they hate.  I will also not cook two separate meals- I was raised to eat what is in front of me. 

    Some items that will be taboo in our household (but allowed in MODERATION when visiting Grandma) include soda, any "juice" drink that isn't really juice (such as kool-aid or fruit punch) and anything overly sugary/syrupy (such as those stupid fruit cups smeared in corn syrup).  Sweets and junk food will be purchased in our home but in moderation, used as a treat.  I hate seeing kids with rotten teeth because of an overload of sugary foods in combination of poor dental hygene! My nephew used to receive soda in his flippin BABY BOTTLE

  • sheikhbell@xanga

    our dentition consists of various kinds of teeth, such as incisors, canines and molars. these serve various purposes such as cutting by incisors, grinding by molars and ripping into meat by canines. that is precisely why we were given different types of teeth by God! of course the atheist will say that we were evolved this way to eat all kinds of food sources.

    whichever way you explain it, it means that we should eat various food groups. until humans 'evolve' to have only molars or incisors, we should not be eating like cows or rabbits 

    similarly, since we have not evolved to have only canines, we should not be eating like hyenas 
  • orchestra3241@xanga

    @Seargent_Peppers@xanga - thats what i was wondering...why the * in the word...makes no sense

  • anonymous

    note to mothers out there, i'm sure you already know about what i'm going to say but i feel compelled to mention it:


    i was never forced to eat anything i didn't like as a child. i also saw some strange behaviors when it came to food (i.e. if meat had a bone in it my mother wouldn't eat it, even if she cooked it). i'm about to be 20 years old and i just tried celery for the first time two days ago. i can't eat lettuce, raw tomatoes, onions or carrots (at all), and many other vegetables. i've never eaten  a salad, i've never eaten mayonaise or miracle whip and there are many other foods on my "can't eat" list. it's a simple matter of my mouth and brain can't handle them. the texture, the taste, and the sensations make me feel sick.


    most of the foods i actually like are terrible for me. bread and butter, junk food, etc. i mostly eat grilled chicken, yogurt, fruits and some veggies (i have to force myself!)


    ok, end force-your-kids-to-eat-everything-please rant :).

  • MiSS__InSomnia@xanga

    My sister is vegetarian, but she cooks meat for her kids all the time. The thing she finds hard is knowing if its cooked properly or if its still fresh without tasting it. She doesnt like to smell or touch it all that much either, but its getting easier now they are getting older (twins are 5 and baby is 3) and can tell her if it smells or tastes funny.

  • SwissMama

    To play devil's advocate, I will say it might be difficult for young children to make a truly unbiased and independent decision about something like this.  Kids will want to do what Mom and Dad do, and can't really take in all the proper information and make a mature decision about it till they're a bit older.  We as parents influence our children probably much more than we even realize, and they will try to emulate us in whatever form they can (until they reach the teenage years, at least, when we'll become like a plague... ).

    However this isn't really much different from all other decisions parents make for their children, and as long as the parents are making sure to select an alternative diet for their children that still provides them with all the nutrition they need to grow, then I see no problem.  Meat in and of itself isn't this wonderful thing-- it is an easy source of many nutrients like iron and protein, but there's other ways to get those, too.  When they are old enough then the kids can make a decision about whether they want to stay vegetarian/vegan or not.  I know many people who have gone back and forth a few times.

    The important thing is to be healthy and take in what your body needs.  How you get that shouldn't really matter. 

  • bryangoodrich@xanga

    Kids shouldn't be forced to pick up the sins of the parents, so to speak. It's like force feeding a child Christianity because his parents are Christian, so he will never have an open mind to perceiving the world in any other way than through Christian coated goggles. Why are the parents vegan in the first place? I would say over 80 percent of the vegans I know do it for moral reasons because they have issues with the way animals are treated and our food is processed. That is fine, I disagree with that to, but that does not translate into issues of problems with meat itself. If you don't like our processed foods or meats, then you can be a locavore (living local is better for the community, the farmers and the environment) or buy from grazed animals. Many of these sentiments are expressed very appropriately in Michael Pollan's two popular books "The Omnivore's Dilemma" and "In Defense of Food." A must read for anyone considering these issues.

    I have engaged in a long debate on the topic here, which extended in part to my blog here. I also talk about these issues in a series which can be ported from my website now, here.

  • Tormlen@xanga

    veg*n= vegetarian and/or vegan.  It's not a censor.  I think that's what it means, anyway. 

    Personally, although my parents are not vegetarian themselves, I almost wish they would've raised me as one.  It turns out that Brown's disease runs in my family, making my decision to be vegetarian a very good choice.  (I'm also susceptible to kidney stones and currently considering veganism.)

    As an only child my mom would make me separate meals, but only easy ones, and then only after I switched to vegetarianism.  Before that, if I didn't like what she made, I had to scavenge around the house for an alternative . . . or, what I did much more frequently, fill up on the non-meat sides.

  • Rencherry@xanga

    I'm not a vegan/vegitarian but I don't see anything wrong with it. As long as you are making sure that your child is eating well and getting all the nutrients they need it shouldn't matter.
    The policy in my house growing up was that you had to eat what was served. My mother was very good about making stuff that we mostly liked, but if there was something we didn't like on the table...or something new we HAD to at least have a bite. I'm going to try to do this in my house too, hopefully it works out.


  • Brunhilda@xanga

    I'm not big on force feeding kids.  The earlier post where the mom said if her kids didn't eat their dinner, she'd save it and make them eat it for breakfast--I was horrified.  I do have my son try a bite of everything we have, even if he just touches his tongue to the food.  If I see him gag, that's a sure sign to back off.  But I persevere, and sometimes he'll eat something he wouldn't before..  There is always something included in the meal that I know he can eat, and if he's still hungry later he can have PB&J.  But not while we eat.  As for the vegans, as long as they are making sure their kids get enough protein, why not.  

  • mamafox

    @orchestra3241@xanga - @Seargent_Peppers@xanga - 

    Veg*n mean vegetarian and/or vegan. It's just way easier to type. It's a popular  "word" on  veggie boards and I've picked it up. Should have explain that one a bit more I see.

  • mamafox

    @already_dead@xanga - "I think parents should expose their children to a variety of food when their young."

    I agree. I try to expose myself and thus my family to new things often. My husband and kids had eggplant for the first time last month for example. I love to cook so I'm often coming up with new things to make. However, offering them the food is different from forcing them to eat it.  That was what I was trying to get at.  

  • pulling_my_hair_out@xanga

    I think the key is to feed them healthy foods. One couple I know are veg*ns (vegetarian vegan-wannabes lol) and their children are always so healthy, slender, and will eat just about anything. In contrast, my brother and sister-in-law feed their kids junk foods because they are picky themselves. The kids are all obese, unhealthy, and headed for trouble in the future health-wise. Kids need to be "taught" proper eating habits, even if they don't embrace everything that is fed to them. 

  • plantingthings@xanga

    My parents forced me to eat Everything that was served, because we lived overseas. When eating at other people's houses, we were sure to encounter much more challenging foods than at our own home. If we learned to eat everything at home, we were more likely to behave when something foreign (baked squid, stuffed intestines, etc) was served to us. This did cause problems, because they spent years forcing my sister to eat eggplants and melons, which she hated. Turns out she's allergic. I definitely think there's ways to take your children's opinions into account when cooking, but once the meal's on the table, they should learn to eat it.
    Also, my parents almost never cooked meat, because it was too expensive, so I grew up with a taste for grains, legumes and vegetables. When I left home, I was almost sick at how much meat I was served all the time, and I was on the verge of an eating disorder.
    now I'm much more well adapted, but I hate preparing meat, and unless it's an accent in a meal (bacon in your split pea soup) as opposed to full course (steak), I won't want to eat it.
    As much as I would like to, I will probably never become a full-on vegetarian, just because of what my mother taught us: I'm too polite to make others change, or give them suspicions that i am uncomfortable with what they serve me. Being a vegetarian makes people nervous, and feel unworthy, like you're judging them for eating unhealthily. I got tired of people trying to treat me specially, or being mean about it because they thought i was being haughty.

  • mamabutterfly

    We always had to taste everything that was offered growing up, but there wasn't too much forcing to eat more if we really didn't like it. My mom wouldn't make separate meals for us-  we could either eat left overs from another dinner that we liked, or we could scrounge for something else, but it always had to be healthy.


    We eat meat, but we are very healthy eaters. Our dinners often consist of grilled chicken, veggies, rice, or pasta and sauted veggies, etc. I don't have to do too much forcing for my son to eat, because he's grown up eating healthfully. His favorite foods are veggies, fruit and yogurt. The only "junk" food we usually have around is ice cream and the whole grain fishy crackers. I figure if you don't buy it, they can't have it! For other snacks we often have pretzels or natural granola bars.

  • already_dead@xanga

    @mamafox - I think you're getting offering and exposed confused. Offering food is different from exposing children to food. Offering is a choice (i.e. You were offered a promotion). Expose is not a choice (i.e. You're exposed to toxic chemicals). I see exposing children to a variety of food as forcing them to eat them. My mother always made sure we tried the food and tried it again. There have been many times I didn't like things at first taste, but love them now. 

  • Erika_Steele@xanga

    my kids will eat what is offered or they will go hungry.  I won't make separate meals and I won't allow them to eat PB&J or cereal in place of a meal.  If my kids want to be veg*n (I am not anymore), then they will have that option.  I make 2-3 veggies at dinner, they can skip the meat and I know how to make choices so they get enough protein and B12.

  • mamajoyjoy

    I'm an omnivore, but I think the double standard is wrong. I think the parents can feed whatever they want until the kid can make their own decision. At the center I used to work with, this kid told us that he was a vegetarian (Mom was, Dad wasn't, his own choice (he was 4 at the time)), but one of the subs didn't know and served him something with me. He liked it so we told him it was meat, and he said, 'It's okay for me to eat that.' So the teachers told him that he wasn't a vegetarian. He said, 'Okay.' I noticed that usually younger kids don't really eat too much meat anyway. Maybe because it's a little tougher to chew? We offer many different kinds of foods, and don't really force M to eat anything if she says no to it.

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