Wednesday, 02 July 2008

  • When Secondhand Smoke Seeps In

    by Mama Koala

    Papa Koala and I both come from non-smoking families, and we're sensitive to the smell of cigarette smoke. Our neighbors are smokers, and they smoke inside their home. We live in a townhouse that is attached to theirs. When we first moved in last year, we thought that maybe it was the paint or perhaps the previous tenants were smokers and the smell will dissipate over time. But then it got worse, and thus began our adventure with the leasing office and the property management. They were understanding when I explained that I could not compromise the health of my then 2-month-old infant. After all, here are some facts from the American Lung Association:
    • Secondhand smoke exposure causes disease and premature death in children and adults who do not smoke. Secondhand smoke contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic or carcinogenic.
    • Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 430 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.
    • Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 790,000 physician office visits per year.  Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.
    • The current Surgeon General’s Report concluded that scientific evidence indicates that there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke.

    And just a few more from Smokefreegwinnett.com:

    • Ventilation systems and designated smoking sections do not protect people from the dangerous toxins in secondhand smoke.
    • Secondhand smoke is more than visible "smoke." Ventilation systems are not equipped to filter out the deadly toxins you cannot see or smell.
    • In a letter to a medical professional, Honeywell confirmed that their ventilation systems are comfort and convenience products that do not protect public health.

    Cigarette Toxins
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    After another deep carpet cleaning and two air duct cleanings, we purchased Sharper Image Ionic Breeze air purifiers for each room (what an expense!) and thought that the nightmare was over. We smelled it on and off during the year, but we would air out the rooms and turn the Ionic Breezes on Turbo Boost... I didn't want to be one of those "difficult" tenants. When I got an occasional headache, I convinced myself that it had nothing to do with the smell and that it was because I didn't get enough sleep.

    On Memorial Day weekend, my brother in law visited with his family.  We told them to sleep in Baby Koala's room and brought her into ours to sleep with us. When I got up in the morning, my brother in law told me that the entire family had slept downstairs in the living room because the smell of smoke was so strong in the baby's room. He added, "She sleeps alone in that room? It's not healthy for her."

    I cried. Not in front of them, but after they left, I cried several times. Since Baby Koala sleeps alone, I never realized just how bad it got in that room in the middle of the night. I tested it out after that weekend, and my brother in law was right. Some nights it was fine, but other nights, the smell of smoke would seep in through the return duct (we opened the vent cover and saw that the duct was made of old wood, which is probably how the smell gets in) and fill the small room.  We also realized that weekend that it was coming from the next townhouse.

    I felt like the world's worst mother. I had compromised the health of my baby girl because I didn't want to be an annoying, "difficult" tenant. I went to the leasing office immediately, and asked them to send someone to come in and figure out what else could be done. I teared up again as I talked to the leasing manager. A couple of days later, one of the maintenance guys came and caulked up all of the outlets in the neighboring home. He came to do the same with some of our outlets, and then gave me his two cents with a smile:

    This is a rental home.  You should be more tolerant.

    Tolerant of what? Tolerant of headaches and all the possible ill effects that I've been reading about for years? If I can't afford my own home, I don't have the right to try and give my children a safe, healthy environment to sleep in??

    After the caulking, the smell got somewhat better downstairs, but some nights it still gets really bad in Baby Koala's room (I've even pulled her out of the crib and slept with her downstairs a couple of times). So we're moving. Believe me, moving is the last thing I want to be doing right now. And I know that moving doesn't guarantee that we won't run into the same problem or worse elsewhere. But we have to try. My baby means more to me than money, time, and a whole lot of stress. She's worth all that, and much, much more.

    Smokingban Maryland passed the law to ban indoor smoking in all public areas earlier this year. That's one of the things we missed about NY, and now that it's here also we feel much better about going to restaurants, bowling alleys, etc. Now I wish they would take it to the next step. They should ban indoor smoking in apartments and townhouse communities where units are attached and smoke can become invasive in neighboring homes.

    Here's how I see it... People have a right to smoke if they want, but others shouldn't have to suffer because of that right.  So, what do you think?  Should they ban indoor smoking in attached, multi-unit homes?

Comments (43)

  • cbprice24@xanga
    yay!

    I definitely think it should be banned. And kudos to you for standing your ground!

  • soapbox_sara@xanga

    Oh would you people SHUT UP ALREADY! Of course the American lung Association has those "stats" they want your MONEY! My mom smoked when she was pregnant with me and my brother and we were both born at well over 8 pounds and we never had any problems. I don't think that you should smoke in the car with the windows up or blow smoke all over your kids but really....


    "They were understanding when I explained that I could not compromise the health of my then 2-month-old infant."


    They were NEXT DOOR, any smell that was coming through the walls was not harmful to your child. It is whiny people like you who demonize peopl e who are suffering from an addiction that if you look at real stats, only significantly harm themselves. Shame on you, and shame on your husband. You should have at least spoken with your neighbors before tattling on them to your leasing office.


    And also, I don't believe the government OR the state has any right what-so-ever to ban smoking in ANY privately owned establishment. If people smoke there, you can eat at home or find a non-smoking establishment to eat and play in. What buisness owners do is a buisness owner's buisness and if they want to allow people to smoke in their establishment...the government should not be permitted to stop them.


    And for the record, I have never smoked even once in my life.

  • haemina@xanga

    i'm for the ban and i grew up (and still live) with a smoker in the house.


    secondhand smoke may not harm the baby as much as you think - after all i'm physically fine (no asthma or lung issues) and so is soapbox_sara, apparently - but it's unpleasant and there's no reason to take chances like that.  plus, if sara's behavior is any indication, it might turn baby koala into an angry, mean person later in life.

  • MissJessicaClaramarie33@xanga

    I think that if the houses are attached, most certainly! See, I look at it as: it's easier for the smoker to go out of their way to smoke some place else if they really must do it; why should you, the non-smoker, have to go out of your way so that you don't ruin your health? ... I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think that the non-smoker should have to compromise, but rather the smoker should. They're doing something that is well-known to be bad for the human body; why, if they want to put themselves at risk which is one thing, should we still let them put others at risk as well?

  • mamakoala

    @soapbox_sara@xanga - "Shame on you, and shame on your husband. You
    should have at least spoken with your neighbors before tattling on them
    to your leasing office."

    We did not "tattle" on our neighbors, and it took us a year before we even realized where the smell was coming from.  We are moving now that we know, and we don't want to ask our neighbors not to smoke in their home.  The leasing office has not mentioned anything to our neighbors about the smoking, and the only inconvenience to them has been that their outlets were insulated.

    I also know people who have smoked all their lives and have not had any health issues, but then again, I know people who have suffered from lung cancer as well.  I doubt the states would be implementing public smoking bans if the "stats" were so exaggerated or incorrect.

  • MrsYam824@xanga

    As a once smoker, now non smoker, I find smoking more irritating than when I was a smoker. But I dont think its right to ban smoking in private residences. If a person(s) are paying to live there, its not right to take away their freedoms.
    My upstairs neighbor smokes all the time and it comes through in the bathroom. Although its a bit annoying to smell cigarette smoke, we live with it because we dont own, we rent. Thats the fact of life. If you rent, you've got to put up with the small things like noisy neighbors and smoking.
    I think its probably best you are moving. Make sure you find out who your neighbor is and if they smoke beforehand. Good Luck.

  • stopandthinkforasec@xanga

    Okay, here's the thing. I'm a smoker. I know what it does to people and I know it bothers people who don't smoke. I'm not trying to kill or get anyone else sick when I smoke. I always smoke outside, even in the winter when it's freezing cold with -0 wind-chill's. I stay away from babies and little kids when I'm smoking. I never smoke indoors, except at a bar. But if I go to a friends house or something and they say no, it's okay smoke inside. I politely tell them thanks, but I like being outside when I smoke. I'm not trying to harm anybody else when I'm smoking especially not little kids so I'm mind-full of this. I also live in a town-house that's attached to another. And I don't smoke out back by the air conditioners even. I smoke outside in the front, a few feet away from the porch. I do believe they should ban smoking in apartments or buildings that are connected to each-other.

  • hannahtan528@xanga

    I think, you should get rid of the person that is doing the second hand smoke.
    I have a 5 month baby girl and my dad smokes a lot.
    He doesn't go near the baby at all, when he's smoking and he waits a while to play with the baby, after he's just smoke.
    This is your neighbor that smokes, I take it?
    If it's them, then you should tell them to stop and if they don't then you need to report them, because it's going to effect the health of your 2 month old baby.

  • mamakoala

    @stopandthinkforasec@xanga - Thanks for sharing a smoker's perspective.  It's really nice of you to be so considerate of those around you when you smoke.  I'm sure it's no fun especially in the winter (I don't even like BEING outside!), and I really appreciate that, even if I don't know you personally.

  • reasmom@xanga

    Suggestion:  When you find a place to move to, talk to the landlord (or whoever) and explain your concerns to them.  If there is more than one townhouse or apartment to pick, maybe they will help you pick one that doesn't include smoker neighbors!

  • soapbox_sara@xanga

    @haemina@xanga - plus, if sara's behavior is any indication, it might turn baby koala into an angry, mean person later in life.


    What do you mean by that? I am a perfectly good person and I am certainly not angry or mean....I just have really strong beliefs and I happen to believe what I do. I am sure the smokers next door would have smoked outside if koala and her husband had said something-I just think all this second hand smoke whining makes smokers seem like bad people and they're not. Like stopandthinkforasec said, they aren't trying to hurt anyone and are generally reasonable.

  • mamalove

    i live in an apartment and also have a neighbor that smokes. we are lucky because it doesn't always come down into our apt (and when it does it comes through the bathroom ceiling so at least we can shut the bathroom doors). i hate the fact that his bad choices effect our health but i also hate the idea of taking away more freedoms in our country. i think that there could be some sort of compromise. couldn't apartments have designated units for smoking away from non-smokers. i think that would be a better law but i don't know. surely there is something we could do to appease everyone.

  • Made2sing4Jesus@xanga

    @soapbox_sara@xanga -" It is whiny people like you who demonize
    peopl e who are suffering from an addiction that if you look at real
    stats, only significantly harm themselves."

    -Miss you are quite incorrect! I lost both my parents from smoking related diseases, within a month & half's time ; & no they were not heavy smokers!

    I have breathing issues on occasion that is due to them smoking around me & all my siblings have sinus issues that I wouldn't doubt are related.
    I think people who get offended by others trying to stay away from health questionables are themselves convicted in how wrong it is & can't see it.

    Though I agree we should have personal freedoms your freedoms should never take mine away either ..I think no smoking in Public places or adjoined homes is reasonable compromise & only the unreasonable think its not.

    For instance lets say Smoking Pot....You want ppl to smoking pot front of you or crack.... No I doubt it....

     think about it more before you blow up on a young MOM trying to do the right things for her child...Her health is protected by her rights as an American...
    So the shame falls on you for being so rude!

  • okmista@xanga
    Mmmmmm... cupcakes

    I've been a non smoker all my life and been around smokers.  I personally DESPISE secondhand smoke and thankfully, my boyfriend has finally quit (thanks to my nagging).  To be honest, had the neighbors known about this little problem, would they have quit like sara said above, I honestly don't think so.  A lot of the smoker themselves think it's a disgusting habit and want to quit and they can't.  I doubt they would inconvenience themselves to leave their own home to walk outside to smoke when they are at home.  If they had that kind of willpower, I think they would just quit. 

    As for the government banning smoking in indoor homes?  I'm not sure how that would fly...

  • goshjustnevermind@xanga

    My friend's dad smokes indoors... and she has a lot of lung problems already... so I know it can affect kids negatively... One of my neighbors who was a very close friend also died of lung cancer... so, I guess it's good that you guys are moving. Even if it doesn't affect the baby, it's still not a pleasant smell to non-smokers... 

  • soapbox_sara@xanga

    @Made2sing4Jesus@xanga - I didn't blow up on her. Koala can do what she wants and believes. I just feel like she should have asked the smokers to go outside before she told the leasing office and moved and that she maybe overdramatized the effects  of the little bit of smoke coming in through ventalation could have on her child. There are cases that those precautions, or putting your foot down would be necessary for instance:


    For the past 5 years since my dad quit, my mom who smokes indoors will only smoke outside. Now, my boyfriend's mom only smokes inside-I mean chain smokes with all the windows up all day. The smell in her house is AWFUL, and when we decide to have kids, they won't be going over to their grandmother's unless she puts the cigarettes down or goes outside.


    It just really bugs me when people get bent out of shape about other people's choices and they kind of skirt around the issue instead of meeting it dead on. Like, I wouldn't just expect Joe's mom to KNOW that I wasn't bringing the kids over because she smokes, I would tell her what I expect. Does that make sense? I certainly never meant to offend anyone, especially not a mother doing what she think's best for her child..I just think she went about it the wrong way.

  • MiniMama@xanga

    I completely agree with you.  I'm not a smoker, but both of my parents were.  I grew up having to breathe in the smoke for more than half my life, and I hated it (that might have been the main reason I never succumbed to peer pressure about smoking even though most of my friends smoked in high school & college).  Smoking is a choice, and I believe everyone should have the freedom to do what they wish to their own bodies.  However, second hand smoke limits other people's (non-smokers) freedom of choice & can greatly affect our health.  I personally know of two non-smokers who developed lung cancer and passed away.  My own mother, who was a smoker, passed away of lung cancer almost seven years ago.  Yes, it's true that not all smokers develops lung cancer or emphesema, but I believe some people are more susceptible to certain diseases and illnesses, so why tempt fate and why endanger another person's life?


    I, too, have a neighbor (downstairs) who smokes.  He only smokes outside while he's walking his dog or on his patio, but I still have to breathe it in when I'm walking in the common areas or when our windows are open.  As soon as I smell smoke I shut the windows & sliding glass doors, so my two year old won't be subjected to second hand smoke.  It really sucks that I can't even enjoy fresh air in the evenings because of our neighbor, so I understand how you feel.  I know moving is such a pain in the butt, but it's probably the best decision for the health of you and your family, esp. your baby. 


    And to soapbox_sara: There's a reason why they put warning labels on cigarette boxes. 

  • Made2sing4Jesus@xanga

    @soapbox_sara@xanga -  Thank You for a kind response , I would say when we forget the strength of words in our language such as shaming someone we should be quite careful. Words can kill or build up.
     As for the way she  handle it...that too was in her shoes with those neighbors...I think either would be correct in a good situation we should not fear a leasing office when they can actually do something about the vents etc.

    Have a Good Day =)

  • erika_marie45@xanga

    I completely agree. People never agree with me on this, but I don't understand why smoking is legal at all. It has no positives to it. A few months ago I was watching a parade holding a newborn baby, only a couple weeks old, and this man walked by and his smoke blew all over us. I wanted to shoot him! If people want to smoke they need to do it where no one else has to smell it or breathe it. 

  • beachblondie711@xanga

    Well I grew up with two parents who smoked like chimneys. Recently they promised not to smoke anywhere but outside or in their bathroom with the door closed (which is twice removed from any hallway or main part of the house). And I have to say that the air quality in our house is much, much nicer. So as far as your question goes, I don't think it should be banned in public housing unless at the owner's discretion. It doesn't bother me when it's isolated in my house, so I can't imagine it would severely bother me if it was next door.  But I do think that if a tennant, such as yourself, has an issue with it, that should be taken into consideration and every measure should be taken to ensure your health and safety.


    Good luck with your moving endeavors! I wish my parents had thought more about the effects of their secondhand smoke, so I really think it is wonderful that you are taking such measures to ensure your child's health and comfort.


  • beachblondie711@xanga

    AND, as far as the smoking issue goes in general...


    There is a saying about the bill of rights. You may be familiar with it. It goes, "The right to swing my fist ends where the other guy's nose begins."


    This means that yes, smokers have a right to smoke. They have a right to do anything they want to their bodies. Where that right ends is where it violates the rights of other people to breathe clean air. I'm all for letting people smoke. Go for it! But when it affects others negatively, it's time to start considering others.


    Incidentally, my roommate is a smoker. She is very considerate of where and when she does it, and we get along great. Thank you to those smokers who do the same!

  • bonzojferardi@xanga

    As someone who lives in a smoke free home and doesn't have any friends or family who smoke, I feel for you.  My brother lived in an apartment once where the downstairs neighbors smoked.  As it was a converted single dwelling, the door at the top of the steps was the problem.  It drove him crazy.  He and I also once went to tour a house that was for sale and the stench of cigarette smoke was more than we could bear.  Of course the real estate agent didn't know if the owners smoked or not, but we did.  It was a deal breaker for him. 

    Personally I do not frequent any restaurants or such facilities that are not totally smoke free.  I understand what the maintenance guy said but it is difficult to be tolerant of cigarette smoke, at least for me it is.  You unfortunately do not seem to have a choice (other than the one you reached) 

    I think that there are a lot of smokers who have no idea (many are considerate) how much second hand smoke can be an annoyance to a lot of non-smokers.  But to ask a person not to smoke in their own home seems extreme.  Like I said, it would drive me nuts to be in your situation and it seems like you have unfortunately had to go to some extremes to try to take care of it.  I am not sure what to suggest.  If it bothers you enough then moving seems to be the only option.  It is a shame that this is the only choice let to you.

    The government encourages people not to smoke and yet derives huge amounts of tax income on tobacco product.  Seems like a big conflict of interest to me.

    It frustrates me that with all of the anti-smoking education out there that people still choose to smoke.  There must be something that smoking provides to a person that is not being provided for by anything else in their lives.

    Sorry for rambling. 

  • bonzojferardi@xanga

    @haemina@xanga - Just a thought:  just because you are fine now doesn't mean that second hand smoke doesn't affect others in a negative way.  We are all different and react to and are affected by things in different ways.

  • mamakoala

    @soapbox_sara@xanga - Hmm, I think I understand better where you're coming from. This might not have been clear, but we went to the leasing office soon after we moved in over a year ago.  We simply wanted a thorough air duct and carpet cleaning because we assumed that the previous tenants had been smokers and the smell was just lingering.  It wasn't until a year later that we realized it was coming from next door.

    In my opinion, it's much better to try to work something out with the leasing office than go knocking on all the neighbors' doors to find out who smokes and then ask them to stop.  I'd agree with you if I had gone to the leasing office to report a specific complaint about our neighbors without even talking to them.  We did nothing of the sort.  Our hope was that the management had some tricks up their sleeves that would take care of the smoke seeping in  through the walls and vents.  Nothing worked for the baby's room, and that is why we are moving.

    As for mentioning the smoking ban for multi-unit homes, I thought it was a great idea after reading this article about it happening in California:  http://www.nbc11.com/news/14307719/detail.html.  I didn't come up with it, but I do agree that less smoking indoors would benefit a lot of people.

  • mamaplatypus

    EVERYONE SHUT UP! haha...j/k. damn everyone seems so tense.

    koala it is your job as a mother to protect your baby. That's just natural instinct to want to do that. I'm like that with my baby. My husband's a smoker. I was a smoker up until a day after i found i was prego and then i had one congratulatory smoke and quit. i do think that if you're paying to live somewhere that you have that right to smoke in your own house. it sucks that you guys share the same vents but yeah you are renting. there' s nothing you can do about it unless you move but that doesn't guarantee that it won't happen again ya know?

    yes people were raised in families that do smoke and they grew up fine but then again i can see people who are from totally smoke free families being more concerned about things like this than someone who grew up around people who do smoke. she has that right as a mother to be concerned for her baby. I mean i was a smoker and if i was in her shirt i'd be concerned too.


    as for soapbox sara, i think it was just how you worded how you felt. it seemed a little insensitive. i mean it's not like she was attacking her neighbors. she was protecting her baby.

    and honestly i don't feel sorry for people who have any sort of addictions. i feel sorry for the people around them that have to deal with it.

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