Thursday, 29 May 2008

  • Labor and Delivery

    by Mama Koala

    I know that talking about the past won't change anything, but I just feel a tiny bit angry (mostly at myself) right now.  After reading Mama Turtle's entry about unassisted childbirth, I have a newfound interest in learning about ALL my birth options.  When I was pregnant with Baby Koala, I never considered giving birth at home or even hiring a midwife.  I just did whatever my doctor told me to do, and didn't question much of what she did.  I used to recommend my obgyn as a good, caring doctor, but now I question whether or not I'd recommend her.

    At my 37th week checkup, my doctor told me that I was 4 cm dilated and 90% effaced, and that I should go to the hospital if I start to get any contractions, even if they're not regular.  Papa Koala and I went to the hospital around 2:30pm that day.  Baby Koala came out at 10pm, and I was so amazed by how precious she was that it didn't occur to me to ask questions about how the labor and delivery had gone.  Now that I've done more research, I wish I had given my doctor the following 4 guidelines:

    • No episiotomy.
    • Don't give me pitocin.
    • Don't break my water manually.
    • Let me hold my baby right after I deliver her, and not after you've already cut the cord and wrapped her up in blankets.

    Of course, at the end of each bullet I would add "unless necessary."  Call me ignorant, but I didn't know what pitocin was until after the fact, and I just trusted my doctor's judgment when she told me she had to break my water.  I felt pretty stupid days later when I learned that my labor had been induced (shouldn't that be reserved for risk cases?).  As for the episiotomy, I only found out because she was stitching me up, and I asked if I tore.  I should've asked, was it necessary?  Why didn't you tell me??  I can't help but wonder if they induced me for their own convenience, so that they could go home (and free up the room!).  It makes me angry when I read stuff about the benefits of the baby staying in the womb longer.  Maybe Baby Koala didn't have to come out 3 weeks early, and maybe that would've been better for her development .

    Also, I've seen videos and read stories about moms holding their new baby right after giving birth, and that's exactly what I was expecting.  I remember feeling disappointed that I had to watch her being handled by nurses across the room before I could hold her in my arms.  What's funny is that these feelings are flooding back now (almost 17 months later) because I've been reading about other birth experiences... and it really makes me want to consider other options if I have another baby.  Even if I delivered at the hospital again, I now know to bring a list of questions and preferences to make the experience more personal and special.

    For further research, this documentary is at the top of my Netflix queue.  If you're exploring birth options, you should check it out as well.  I'll post more after I've actually seen the film.
    businessofbeingbornThe Business of Being Born

    How would you rate your past birth experiences?  Would you do anything differently if you could go back in time?

Comments (92)

  • Brettsgrrl729@xanga

    Every birth is different and I respect that everyone has their own opinion. I had no problems with my L&D. My water broke naturally, 3 weeks before my due date....so I didn't have to worry about them breaking it for me. I did have an episiotemy and they gave me some pitocin to help me along (the labor process had slowed way down after I had an epidural). I'm so very glad I had the episiotemy. I'd rather have one of those, than risk tearing much worse than a small cut. I did not get to hold my son right after he was born and I don't regret it. I was exhausted and he needed to be rushed off for oxygen. He had some breathing problems at first. I really don't remember.....it's all a blur now....it's been 3 years. So I guess my answer is, if I could go back in time, I would do everything exactly the same.

  • yourheadispunk@xanga

    I agree with the previous poster, everyone's experience is different.  Being your first kid, it's so hard to know what to do...'cause everyone around is telling you all kinds of different things, trying to convince you that their way is right or they had a horrible experience because this or that.  Mine was good, the actual labor part was fast and smooth.  There are a few things I would have not done had I known then what I know now.  I was given pitocin, and eventually an epidural that did not take and was more painful than the actual labor.  I didn't realize that after all the struggle of getting the epidural in, that it didn't even work until my doctor was stitching me up and I felt every bit of it...she was like, "uh...you can feel that? you shouldn't be able to feel that...your epidural didn't take"  Haha, great, thanks.  Next time I will not get that blasted epidural as I apparently didn't even NEED it the first time (though I thought I had it, weird).  I got to hold my son right away, then they whisked him off for oxygen - as he also had breathing troubles and stayed in the NICU for SEVEN gut-wrenching I-Just-Want-My-Baby-With-Me days.  I love my OBGYN to pieces...I can't wait to get pregnant again just so I can go visit with her more often.  Haha!  She took my concerns and questions to heart and made me feel so at peace.  And while everything didn't go as planned or as I wanted, everything turned out fine and I'm happy with that.  Having that experience under my belt, I think I will feel more comfortable going in there and making sure I get what I want the next time, though.

  • Mrs_LeFevour@xanga

    oh yes, been there done that.  Both my first and second births were doctor directed.  Then 5 years later I had my 3rd child and it was totally different!  It was wonderful!!  Even though it was in a hospital, I had an awesome midwife (who was still in her soccer uniform!) and gave birth 1 hour and 20 minutes after arriving at the hospital.  By 9pm that night, I was home in my own bed.

    I don't blame you for being angry - but work it through, be glad your baby is healthy and make changes for next time.  There is so much information available these days.

  • goshdarKnit@xanga

    I have 2 little girls, and I really didn't like the first birth. :( I was induced because my daughter was 1.5 weeks "late", though non-stress tests showed she was doing perfectly fine. I was put on pitocin starting around 7am one morning, (I came in at 3cm dilated and 90% effaced), they upped the pit alllll day long until around 5pm, when the contractions became one long contraction which was causing distress to my daughter. :( After that, they backed off the pit a little and broke my water. I got an epidural at 830 pm, and fully dilated by 930pm. Maybe it was because they gave me the "you have 12 hours to have this baby now that your water is broken before we section you" threat that got my body moving, ha. I pushed her out in 40 min, on my back, held her immediately after until they took her to dry/weigh her, and then they gave her back to me. Could have been worse. I got 2 stitches. It frustrates me that I was induced when my daughter was fine, the placenta was fine, it was just "the rules". It makes me mad that they were causing my baby distress with so much pitocin... Also, remember the talk from that guy  in the business of being born, about if a mom doesn't go into labor on her own she's not producing oxytocin which is what gives you the warm fuzzies and helps you fall in love with your kiddo.. Now that I've had another baby (born at 2 weeks and 2 days after her due date, completely healthy, no tears, spontaneous labor, homebirth) its amazing how completely different I felt after my first labor and after the second. With my homebirth I fell head over heels in love with my baby. I'd thought that maybe I just wasn't someone who gets attached to her babies very easily, because with baby #1 it took me weeks/months to fall in love, and I was dealing with PPD (ugh). I have a lot of friends pregnant with their first babies right now and I'm TRYING to make sure they know their options. When you don't know your options, you don't have any!

  • AnimaLuva@xanga

    I don't agree with them inducing you like that when you didn't really know what was going on.  However, the episiotomy is a nice thing to do, because if they do that, it heals more than a tear.  I had one, plus I tore, so I really would have been torn bad if I hadn't had one.

  • john@xanga

    is that the documentary by ricky lake?  i've been meaning to rent that...

  • ayca@xanga

    Did they get your consent to do the episiotomy?

  • mamakoala@xanga

    @john - yeah, that's the one.  here's the synopsis from the official website:

    Compelled to explore the subject after
    the delivery of her first child, actress Ricki Lake recruits filmmaker
    Abby Epstein to question the way American women have babies.

    The film interlaces intimate birth
    stories with surprising historical, political and scientific insights
    and shocking statistics about the current maternity care system. When
    director Epstein discovers she is pregnant during the making of the
    film, the journey becomes even more personal.

  • mamakoala@xanga

    @ayca - no, they never mentioned anything or asked me any questions... as i mentioned, i only found out about it b/c she said she needed to stitch me up and i asked her if i tore... she told me that she made a small incision before i started pushing (but i hadn't felt it b/c of the epidural).

  • mamakoala@xanga

    @AnimaLuva - yeah, i don't think an episiotomy is a bad thing... i just wish that they had told me about it before it happened.

  • ayca@xanga

    @mamakoala - I did not know what it meant, so I googled it. To be honest, the wikipedia page does not make it sound like it is a good thing.

  • fantazygirl@xanga

    i think i have a good dr..  i have asked all those questions and so far, i like the answers she gave me..  but i guess i'll have to wait and see what really happens during my labor and delivery (3 more months!!). 


    I watched the business of being born and although the documentary was very informative, as i also never had considered a midwife or birthing centers, etc..  this documentary is very biased.  after watching this, i immediately started researching about midwives and birthing centers..  but not all drs and hospitals are as bad as the documentary makes them out to be..  (i hope!)  i guess just being educated in your options is the best.

  • MommylovesShawney@xanga

    I tore really bad with my son even after they cut me, I tore the rest of the way. I was so mad and it wasn't because he was big because he wasn't. They didn't ask me if they could break my water. They did it. With my daughter I thought I was getting checked and they broke my water and I wasn't even contracting yet, so they had to give me pitocin because it wasn't doing anything, it was bad

  • SingAsIfGODIsListening@xanga

    I'm just a bit bitter myself about my experience.  Of course, there are things that you're afraid of when you're a first-time mom, so you trust your physician completely.  He broke my water manually, which is ok by me (I know others have their convictions) but the thing was that he did it when I wasn't very much dilated and WITH A SMALL HOOKED GLOVE instead of a long hook.  It made me scream louder than the contraction pain.  I think that was dumb, and I felt totally rushed the whole time I was in L&D. 


    I also know that I personally didn't give myself credit for being bale to handle the things that I now know I could handle.  For example, I insisted on the epidural.  Now, I'm not one to say you shouldn't have pain management options, because believe me, I'm all for it.  But the thing is, my epidural didn't even work.  It numbbed my arms and legs, and nothing else.  There was a tremendous amount of pain, and I yet I couldn't lift my arms and legs to push.  The C-Section nurse kept coming in and saying, "You ready to quit the nonsense?" to the doctor, and totally discouraging me.  It really pushed me, and by the time the DR was like, "OK we've got to get this baby out," I was telling everyone that I needed to sit up instead of laying down so I could curl over the baby.  They said no, and I told them that they could shove it, I was getting the baby out.  I had an episiotomy, but then I ended up tearing to the 4th degree.  2 reconsturctive procedures later, I'm not sure that I can go through that again.


    I definitely want another doctor.  I have a friend who just graduated from med school as an OBGYN, and although I'd rather not have him as my DR, he has recommended some people.  I just don't know if his idea of good is the same as mine as a DR himself.

  • I_Am_Twilight@xanga

    I just wanted to say that I love this site.  I don't have any kids right now, but I really would like to in a couple years.  I love kids, and I want to work with them, and I really think it's amazing how something a little boy or girl can do can change your whole day.  But it amazes me how much stuff I DON'T know.  Stuff you don't even think about...


    So basically I just wanted to say that I think this site is awesome, and kudos to you guys for running it.

  • babybooties33@xanga

    I'm sorry you had such a rough experience.  I am a FIRM believer that we have to take responsiblity for our health and the health of our children.  Unfortunately, too many times if we do not educate ourselves about the options, then someone else ends up making a decision that may or may not be in our best interest... but rather more convenient for them.  It saddens me to read some of the comments.  People who would rather have a doctor tell them exactly what to do and not question it, or someone who had such a terrible experience because they were uneducated.


    I knew all my options, had a very specific birth plan, had a hospital midwife .. but unfortunately, after 21 hours of labor I ended up a C-section.  My daughter wouldn't decend... and we ended up finding out she COULND'T because the cord was wrapped around her neck 4 times.  There was nothing left to let her come down.


    I also have to make a comment here about episiotomies.  Someone above said they would rather have a small cut then a tear.  I would encourage ANYONE who is thinking about getting pregnant to really look into what an episiotomy is and what it can do to you.  1) A natural tear heals more quickly then a cut, and stronger.  The tissues interlink together, like woven fabric making the area stronger.  Versus a cut which does not interweave.  2) The 'normal womanly problems after childbirth' ... like decreased bladder control, sexual issues, etc... are more common with episiotomies then with women who did not have one.  3) a GOOD OBGYN or midwife CAN deliver a baby in most cases without cutting you.  Cutting you is just a convenience for the doctor so they don't have to work as hard to help you get the baby out. 


    There are so many options when having a baby.  Doctor directed is typically NOT in the best interest of the woman.  It's sad but true.  Educating ourselves about the options is a must.  Our health and the health of our baby is too important to NOT educate ourselves and know all our options.  Just because someone has the 'DR' in front of their name... doesn't mean they alwasys know what is best for me.  A good doctor will encourage discussions between them and their patients so a customized plan can be used that is unique to each patient instead of trying to pass off cookie cutter medicine.  I hear of too many doctors trying to force every situation into a box... and if it doesn't fit... then cut her open! 


    It's ridiculous.

  • momma_lizzie@xanga

    thankfully I had both my babies by c-section.  It wasn't bad... I kinda had a mini panic attack during Lily's but it was okay.  I got to see Adin right after he came out... my hubby at the time got to hold him and I got to nuzzle him.  But Lily... she was different.  They noticed right away her breathing was off so they rushed her away.  I got to see her... I got to kiss her... but no holding or nuzzling.  And I didn't get to full on cuddle with her for two more days.  It was the worse experience of my life.  I don't know how you laides go thru having a baby in the NICU for longer than two days... and the premies that are in there for weeks/months at atime.  You are truely strong.


    In a way... I still don't feel as if I bonded with Lily like I should.  I kinda make up for it now by spending just a lil bit more time with her than I know Adin likes.  But he loves his blocks and Noggin more than me anyway so it works out hahahaa

  • manhattan_momma

    babybooties is right.  many moons ago episiotomies were the standard of practice.  it was thought that cutting the mother would be more beneficial than a tear.  but that was a long time ago.  i bet all the docs who are doing it routinely now are very old-fashioned.. and these happen to be the docs w/o any type of bedside manner at all, too.  today, it's well known in the medical community that to let the mother tear naturally is better.  see previous poster's reasons above.  she is completely right.

    anyway, being a nurse myselfi love certified nurse midwives. i like their school of thought and most i've met have excellent bedside manner (which is a must for any practitioner i see).  the one i went to throughout my pregancy was awesome, but she didn't make it to my labor.  my daughter was delivered by a doc, an obgyn.  lucky for me i loved this obgyn too... she and i were definitely on the same page w/ things.  and thankfully i had a very normal L&D. there was one point however, when i was sent back home from the hospital because i wasn't progressing enough.  i was 2cm dilated from 2am to 4am despite walking, different labor positions, etc... i didn't want to go home b/c the pain was soooo bad, but i knew if i stayed in the hospital they would've given me pitocin. 

    by the way, pitocin is not necessarily a bad thing... in some cases it really can be in one's best interest to move things along... but in other cases, it's not.  anyway, i went home in excruciating labor pain, but knew i would be better off avoiding pit and staying in the hospital.  b/c if i stayed in the hospital, i'd be hooked up to monitors and my baby wouldn't drop any faster.  so i grinned and beared it at home for another couple of hours.  the doc called me in the morning and suggested i go to the obgyn office at 9am to get examined.  i did not let her "doctor direct" me there!  thank goodness... i knew that was an absurd idea and i told her so, because i knew this baby was coming soon. she said i could do what i feel... so i did!  i went to the hospital again at 8am and at 8:30a they checked me to be 5 cm dilated.   so finally i got my pain relief and i had my baby a few hours later.

    someone above mentioned it... but the importance of educating oneself about L&D is so very valuable.  that's what those childbirth classes are for!!  and if doctors tell you one thing and you don't understand it or why it's happening, just ask!  ask your options.  ask if it's really medically necessary... also, don't be quick to label certain medical interventions and treatments as "bad".  everything is considered on a cases by case basis.  just always remember that the number one priority, even above having a "good birth experience" and a "birth plan how I WANT IT" is safety for the mom and baby. it's nice to have a "birth plan", but what's even better is an educated mind and an open mind because no one can really plan how a baby is born into this world... too many variables can happen.  i think the term birth plan is really horrible.  as long as you and your practitioner (doc, midwife, etc.) are on the same page and have a good relationship with each other, things should go well...

  • PPhilip@xanga

    I suppose if you want your tax break you could hurry the birth of a child. But wouldn't that effect the astrological sign of the child?

    On natural birth, I say if the wife hasn't given birth before, then her first birth should be in the hospital so that she experiences it with the option of medication. Unfortunately there is only a small window of opportunity for giving her pain medication.

    I still remember the birth of my second child.When my wife was starting her contractions I told the midwife not to hurry since the birth of the first took so long. In the privacy of our home I could hug and hold my wife before the birth of the child. (Also the bath was nice in calming her) Amazingly our daughter arrived before the midwife, after the birth I handed our daughter to my wife to open the door to the midwife.

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  • OhOhLookWhatYouveDone@xanga

    Ha, as I started reading this post I was thinking about leaving a comment about The Business of Being Born...

  • munchkincho@xanga

    i was also induced and given an episiotomy.  i was told i was induced bc i had gestational diabetes and the baby was 'big'....well that 'big' baby was born at 7lbs.7oz. so i became very skeptical about that theory.  who knows?  but i'm def changing my obgyn if/when i have baby #2. 

  • KJ_Hamnik@xanga

    Hi, I'm karen.  I was just wondering around Xanga when I saw this.  There may be something to the doctors inducing for their own convenience.  And while I personally believe that hospitals and doctors tend to act like they own your child and you can't have it until they say, at the same time hundreds of millions of American babies were born in hospitals and were just fine.  If you think of the hospital as a place to have a child where someone else has to clean up the mess then it makes a bit of sense.  It is a VERY messy process.


    It is a good thing, though to put this out there.  Too many people are never made aware of their options in childbirth.  It's the same thing as pharmacutical companies bad mouthing herbal remedies.  It takes away from their income.  Many doctors suggest that home child birth is dangerous for the child and mother and this just isn't worn out by the billions of people who have been born in fields, taxi cabs, caves!, cabins, lean too's LOL.  The point is that hospital childbirth is a VERY recent thing in human history and to suggest that a woman wouldn't know what to do in any given situation is just ridicules.


    Hospital birth -- treat it like a restaurant.  You don't have to clean up the mess but you do have to pay for all the outrageous expenses attached to it.  (One slice of a tomato in a restaurant costs as much as a whole tomato at the store, but you won't have to slice it LOL)


    You should be miffed and I hope you consider home birth on your own terms.  Hospitals, doctors and the government do NOT own our children and they have no right whatsoever to tell you how to have a child, when or where 


    Karen -)


  • anonymous

    I thought I was totally educated with my first birth and even then had a series of interventions starting with breaking my water and ending up with an epidural and an episiotomy neither of which I wanted. All I can say is get educated and then stand your grond. Questions EVERYTHING  they do. It may seem like a lot of work because there is a lot that can happen during birth, but I think a lot of women have regrets about the first birth. It's something you've never experienced before so it's hard even when you are educated (we took Bradley Natural Childbirth classes). The second time around was a lot different, I was able to deliver naturally with no interventions and hopefully with this one (due in 2 weeks) it will go the same. PLEASE watch The Business of Being Born...it is an amazing video. It's not extremely ANTI Doc/Hospital but it is eye-opening. I choose to give birth in a hospital for a variety of reasons, I even still have a Doc instead of a midwife (which I would love to go with next time) but knowing your options and the facts about childbirth and labor make a HUGE difference! Knowing you can say NO to anything they recommend for their convenience and not for the health of the baby is a very powerful feeling. I think THAT is what is wrong with labor and delivery in America. We tend to think Doc knows best and you know? It's not that he doesn't know best, it's that he wants to make it home for dinner and he's overworked as well so his choices may not be the best of most effective in childbirth....but knowing you can say NO is what really counts. It's your body and your birth no matter where you do it! 

  • Knights_Bridge@xanga

    Wow! I am just trying to wrap my head around the whole birth event itself. I didn't know there were many ways of being born.

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